Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School

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Is America a violent country?
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http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/

http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2012/07/21/assault-deaths-within-the-united-states/

What I said before I truly believe. I'm curious about what the data says and why this happens.
 
Our society has become as savage as our entertainment. We seem to dwell on violence and being nasty toward each other. It's 'cool' to be a 'bad-boy' or have a dark side. We make fun of what used to be called being a 'gentleman'. Our sports is even rampant with anger and violence these days. Sportsmanship means nothing. In my opinion we have lost much civility toward our fellow man. Our culture seems to be a breading ground for discontent and degraded toward barbarism in many ways. Was this the cause of this mentally disturbed person to do such a sub-human act? Or sadly, is this something only us humans would do to each other? Horrible thing, but I think as the future unfolds, more of this type of thing will prevail. As a society....as a DECENT society, it is important that we protect our children no matter what. They deserve better. Unfortunately now the time has come to address REAL security issues at our schools and quickly do ALL that we can to guard the children against such evil. If needed, and after this and many other attacks, I think it's time to make our schools far more secure. Fencing, gates, guards, badges, video monitors, and anything else set up to do all we can to protect the kids. Expensive? Yes. But if protecting them is not a TOP priority, then what is??
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Our society has become as savage as our entertainment. We seem to dwell on violence and being nasty toward each other. It's 'cool' to be a 'bad-boy' or have a dark side. We make fun of what used to be called being a 'gentleman'. Our sports is even rampant with anger and violence these days. Sportsmanship means nothing. In my opinion we have lost much civility toward our fellow man. Our culture seems to be a breading ground for discontent and degraded toward barbarism in many ways. Was this the cause of this mentally disturbed person to do such a sub-human act? Or sadly, is this something only us humans would do to each other? Horrible thing, but I think as the future unfolds, more of this type of thing will prevail. As a society....as a DECENT society, it is important that we protect our children no matter what. They deserve better. Unfortunately now the time has come to address REAL security issues at our schools and quickly do ALL that we can to guard the children against such evil. If needed, and after this and many other attacks, I think it's time to make our schools far more secure. Fencing, gates, guards, badges, video monitors, and anything else set up to do all we can to protect the kids. Expensive? Yes. But if protecting them is not a TOP priority, then what is??


Very well put. What do people expect when extreme violence becomes mainstream entertainment. Just look at our movies, sports(MMA) and video games. It is time to protect our kids from all of the [censored] out there.
 
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Originally Posted By: Miller88
I play call of duty and I play grand theft auto. I certainly have done nothing of the sort lately ...


Lately?!
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
You are asking for arbitrary roadblocks to people practicing their 2nd Amendment rights.


Tempest, et al... I read an interesting comment on a post elsewhere on the interweb an hour or so ago. I'd like your take on it: Regarding this story, and the inevitable cacophony of gun control debate in the comments that followed it, someone said - and I will heavily paraphrase - "the framers of the 2nd amendment conceived of it at a time when a muzzle-loader took a minute and a half to load and was accurate to within a broad side of a barn at 50 paces". His point being, I believe, that the cultural landscape and circumstances have changed and that any respectable system of law ought to reflect the nature of its' society rather than dictate it. You guys seem to regard your constitution as a holy document that you must abide by, rather than something that should reflect that society is some 200 years on. It seems like something is broken, badly broken, and you guys are still bowing to documents and ideas from hundreds of years ago - which were drafted and implemented when they were *entirely relevant and practical*

Your thoughts?
If anything, we have gotten too far away from our Constitution. Yes we used muzzleloaders to fight off the British. What did they have? Muzzleloaders. The assault weapon of the time. Are you suggesting we take arms out of the hands of the law abiding here? That works real well in places like Mexico and Brazil huh? We need a real leader in the Whitehouse who could lead this country instead of promoting class warfare and using tragedies like this (didn't waste much time did he) as oppurtunities to push his progressive agenda.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
 
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To me it looks like a copycat crime:

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Luke Woodham, 16, killed his mother about 5 that morning, then just before 8, he drove her car to school. He walked through the school's front doors, concealing a .30-30 hunting rifle under a long trench coat. After entering the lobby, he walked over to his former girlfriend, Christina Menefee, and her friend Lydia Dew and shot them dead. He then shot into a crowd of other students


Wednesday, Oct. 1, 1997, about 8 a.m. Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss.
 
If you are on a terroist list you cannot fly however you can purchase a AK47 at a gun show. 20 children should make it happen and might add we have to hurry because this seems to be picking up speed. The talk points about people kill not guns is beyond LAME we really need to pull our heads out and hurry and get real!! What will it take???
 
What Id really like to know is if HIPAA prevents verification of mental deficiency when people get their check-outs when purchasing weapons.

I know that every time that I put in for a handgun purchase in NJ, besides having to get a purchase approval form, I have to pay $18 for a mental health check.

That's the mind boggling thing to me here... Most of these whacko shooters Ill bet have bought their guns legally. They werent necessarily criminals until they did these actions. So if this guy was from NJ, he should have had a check for his FID card and then if he ever bought a handgun, at least one more check.

But beyond that, either he lied or there are zero ramifications for lying on the purchase form that one has to fill out that asks about mental health.

Are there zero ramifications if one lies on these documents? Is there any check and balance to ensure that deficient people cannot purchase weapons?
 
Deranged person= Problem.

Deranged person + Gun = DEADLY serious problem.

Oregon shopping Mall never got a mention on BITOG, I guess we're getting jaded?

Sad day, I feel sick.
 
This thing got the guns from his mother and killed her then drove to the school in her Civic. The guns were legal registered in her name. However all of this info might be wrong too as alot was this morning.
 
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
This thing got the guns from his mother and killed her then drove to the school in her Civic. The guns were legal registered in her name. However all of this info might be wrong too as alot was this morning.


OK, so the mother was defective too - in terms of responsibility. Frankly I am sick of reading that 200k guns are stolen each year. I see this as nothing but a robbery of guns, even if within the family. I doubt they were properly secured and the theft and use of guns due to improper keeping of weapons propagates the problem moreso than anything.

Gun owners are literally shooting themselves in the foot letting this kind of thing occur.

200k guns per year! How many of them end in crime or death?

Its horrible and there needs to be a much more serious responsibility taken on part of gun owners so that this kind of thing can be prevented and avoided. Thats not gun control, that's gun responsibility. Its important and is seemingly not taken seriously by most.

Stolen from his mother??!? Wow.
 
Originally Posted By: callbay
When seconds count the police are minutes away. Maybe if someone besides the shooters were armed at the school they could have stopped this tradgedy or kept the number of dead to a lower number. The answer is not to take away the guns of law abiding people.


It is called armed security staff.
 
Seriously as mentioned earlier you cannot prevent all possible scenarios, and it is not the video game, or legality of gun ownership, that cause this. You can blame mental problem or bad parenting but I don't think it has anything to do with religion or politics. There are nut jobs in all religion and political believes.

As a believer of Murphy's law, the only way to prevent this is an airport like security in large gathering, like school lockdown with metal detector and armed security staff, checkpoint to scan vehicle before entering parking lot with explosives and heavy weapons. Basically what Israel does, and even that you'll still get some bombing here and there.

It is never possible to eradicate all scenarios, unless you isolate all human interactions so much (i.e. eliminating cars so gunmans can't travel so easily) and take away liberty (anyone that looks like a risk is sent straight to the concentration camp, you'll catch 1 real per 9 innocent people). Is it worth it? I don't think so.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
...and it is not the video game



I believe the multi-hour obsession of ultra-violent video games, along with this repressed socially awkward teens & twenty-somethings we have now that were brought up with limited values, responsibility and respect can create evil people like this.
 
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
The talk points about people kill not guns is beyond LAME we really need to pull our heads out and hurry and get real!!


No you are lame. The gun is just an object. No different from a drunk killing someone with his car - you wanna ban cars too?

I pray for all the families in this tragedy....but it does not need to be used as an example for gun control. We need to focus on the root causes of the behavior...all these shootings are from crazy mental people where their Dr's and families knew they were not right in the head.
 
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No, it is not the mothers fault for having guns that could be taken. Nor is it her fault for having two hand guns one a Glock and having a rifle. It is her right and living in Newton Ct. would make having such an array of guns in such a DANGEROUS PLACE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD!! And why with a grown son like hers keeping the guns in a safe placemake any sense he was a honor student!!
 
An automatic weapon that holds 30 rounds is not an object that should be owned by anyone. Unless you are really a bad shot hunting deer with 30 rounds is .... Very Lame
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
The talk points about people kill not guns is beyond LAME we really need to pull our heads out and hurry and get real!!


No you are lame. The gun is just an object. No different from a drunk killing someone with his car - you wanna ban cars too?

I pray for all the families in this tragedy....but it does not need to be used as an example for gun control. We need to focus on the root causes of the behavior...all these shootings are from crazy mental people where their Dr's and families knew they were not right in the head.
 
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