Some say it was his brother, Adam.
Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School
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Originally Posted By: Nick R
Are you kidding me? I'm serious, you must be joking. Video games don't make people violent, they don't create killers. I play plenty of violent video games, I've probably racked up a few thousand kills in games like FEAR, Crysis, and most recently, Planetside 2. I'm pretty sure i'm still sane and are absolutely disgusted by this. And so are a lot of people I know who play games.
You are grossly over-simplifying an already simple concept: "garbage in, garbage out". No one has ever said that everyone who plays video games will become violent, and I have never in my life heard anyone say video games *cause* violent behaviour. It's just "garbage in, garbage out".
Originally Posted By: Nick R
And I notice it's never young people who actually play games or in this generation that are of this opinion, it's older people who dont' play video games, and think they are a waste of time and money. Well you are entitled to your opinion, but DO NOT try to force your anti-game attitude on those of us normal people who enjoy playing video games.
"Older" people who cannot fathom a grown man playing video games has little to do with fear of the gamers becoming violent.
How exactly does one "force an attitude" on someone, anyhow?
Are you kidding me? I'm serious, you must be joking. Video games don't make people violent, they don't create killers. I play plenty of violent video games, I've probably racked up a few thousand kills in games like FEAR, Crysis, and most recently, Planetside 2. I'm pretty sure i'm still sane and are absolutely disgusted by this. And so are a lot of people I know who play games.
You are grossly over-simplifying an already simple concept: "garbage in, garbage out". No one has ever said that everyone who plays video games will become violent, and I have never in my life heard anyone say video games *cause* violent behaviour. It's just "garbage in, garbage out".
Originally Posted By: Nick R
And I notice it's never young people who actually play games or in this generation that are of this opinion, it's older people who dont' play video games, and think they are a waste of time and money. Well you are entitled to your opinion, but DO NOT try to force your anti-game attitude on those of us normal people who enjoy playing video games.
"Older" people who cannot fathom a grown man playing video games has little to do with fear of the gamers becoming violent.
How exactly does one "force an attitude" on someone, anyhow?
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Like in Israel where at least one teacher in a school is armed, but no one knows who.
I know who!
Like in Israel where at least one teacher in a school is armed, but no one knows who.
I know who!
A very tragic incident. I think that every school of any size needs an armed security guard willing to interdict and engage this sort of person with deadly force. As our population increases, and as more and more people are cast adrift by this society, we will get like China which as had this sort of issue for about a decade.
We will see disaffected, isolated young men attacking schools. I have thought for a long time that stuff like that might start happening here, and it has.
We will see disaffected, isolated young men attacking schools. I have thought for a long time that stuff like that might start happening here, and it has.
Originally Posted By: NateDN10
Unbelievable. What sort of depraved lunacy could cause someone to gun down kindergarteners?
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
I feel so bad for those kids and families. It literally brought tears to my eyes watching it. I wanted to run home and hug my kids.
I feel the same way.
I heard the news on the radio on my way into work.. im a proud daddy and it brought tears to my eyes.. i think about this and im still fighting them.. so , so , sad..
Unbelievable. What sort of depraved lunacy could cause someone to gun down kindergarteners?
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
I feel so bad for those kids and families. It literally brought tears to my eyes watching it. I wanted to run home and hug my kids.
I feel the same way.
I heard the news on the radio on my way into work.. im a proud daddy and it brought tears to my eyes.. i think about this and im still fighting them.. so , so , sad..
Too many rats in the cage.
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If you or anyone else needs to believe a sky wizard crafted existence *in order for you to revere human life*, there is still a major problem. This is no time for fairy tales, as simple and comforting as they may be. If we are all adrift in a mindless cosmos, shouldn't that be MORE of an impetus for us to pull together and make compassion the cornerstone? Either way, scientists are far far away from understanding the world below the Planck constant, and you and I are far too stupid to understand the mind of you-know-who. A bunch of clueless morons arguing over things far above their heads won't get us anywhere. It's about our behaviour towards one another, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Science reports findings and does not have to impact YOUR faith (presuming it is strong enough not to be threatened by information) not your spirituality.
As a scientist, it is not a problem for me nor do I have problems with my spirituality, but don't get personal and start calling people morons because you see it as some kind of problem for you.
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If we are all adrift in a mindless cosmos, shouldn't that be MORE of an impetus for us to pull together and make compassion the cornerstone?
I do agree this tradgedy calls for compassion.
If you or anyone else needs to believe a sky wizard crafted existence *in order for you to revere human life*, there is still a major problem. This is no time for fairy tales, as simple and comforting as they may be. If we are all adrift in a mindless cosmos, shouldn't that be MORE of an impetus for us to pull together and make compassion the cornerstone? Either way, scientists are far far away from understanding the world below the Planck constant, and you and I are far too stupid to understand the mind of you-know-who. A bunch of clueless morons arguing over things far above their heads won't get us anywhere. It's about our behaviour towards one another, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Science reports findings and does not have to impact YOUR faith (presuming it is strong enough not to be threatened by information) not your spirituality.
As a scientist, it is not a problem for me nor do I have problems with my spirituality, but don't get personal and start calling people morons because you see it as some kind of problem for you.
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If we are all adrift in a mindless cosmos, shouldn't that be MORE of an impetus for us to pull together and make compassion the cornerstone?
I do agree this tradgedy calls for compassion.
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Originally Posted By: Cristobal
A very tragic incident. I think that every school of any size needs an armed security guard willing to interdict and engage this sort of person with deadly force. As our population increases, and as more and more people are cast adrift by this society, we will get like China which as had this sort of issue for about a decade.
We will see disaffected, isolated young men attacking schools. I have thought for a long time that stuff like that might start happening here, and it has.
So-called dissafection and isolation seem to becoming excuses for commiting haneous crimes.
A very tragic incident. I think that every school of any size needs an armed security guard willing to interdict and engage this sort of person with deadly force. As our population increases, and as more and more people are cast adrift by this society, we will get like China which as had this sort of issue for about a decade.
We will see disaffected, isolated young men attacking schools. I have thought for a long time that stuff like that might start happening here, and it has.
So-called dissafection and isolation seem to becoming excuses for commiting haneous crimes.
Words cannot describe how I feel about this awful and disturbing act. My sympathies go to the families and the whole community. Our society today is desensitized to extreme violence throught the media and our facination with violent video games. Just look on youtube and see all of the postings of school yard fights. And one of the previous posters who referenced that a lack of belief in a higher being is also a cause of our problems in society, If I am not mistaken, isn't religion the #1 cause of wars and violence twards the human race throughout history.
And with the copyrighted content that went political time for the end of this thread.
Please do NOT start another. Sad situation any way you look at it.
** Update: I've been asked to remove anything that was political/religious and reopen this thread which I will do.
If it goes R/S/P it will get locked up.
Please keep it CIVIL!
Bill
Please do NOT start another. Sad situation any way you look at it.
** Update: I've been asked to remove anything that was political/religious and reopen this thread which I will do.
If it goes R/S/P it will get locked up.
Please keep it CIVIL!
Bill
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I wish mental health was viewed as a priority in our country. Not well funded and adequate for insured or uninsured. Lots of folks look away.
The last few similar events had that common theme.
My wife and I have no idea to discuss this with 6 year old or let her happy safe world go on. So sad.
The last few similar events had that common theme.
My wife and I have no idea to discuss this with 6 year old or let her happy safe world go on. So sad.
To me, these tragedies are very hard to prevent. Look back to the assault weapons ban, did crime go down during its course? No. Banning high capacity magazines, limiting magazine size and/or banning high power rifles is not the answer either. The only thing this does is leave law abiding citizens with low capacity limited range weapons, while the criminals who have no care for the law are left with the bigger guns so to speak. Who runs the show then? I think it's easy to figure out.
Our gun crime problem is not a problem inherent to the guns themselves, i believe it to be more of a cultural thing. History has proven time after time that any substance or activity that is banned will result in a more negative manifestation of that given subject.
Now, with that said, you can't just allow everyone to have firearms and expect the problem to go away. The media demonizes guns. Instead of doing that, from a young age, educate people on the proper use of them. Teach them that their personal safety is THEIR responsibility. Simply buying a firearm, loading it and stashing it in your coat is not good enough. People need to grow up having the training to use these weapons. It's easy to buy a gun, but when bullets are flying and everyone is in a panic, if you've never been trained for the situation, the average person will either freeze up, run, or try to take a shot while shaking uncontrollably. Hitting an innocent person or someone through a wall is not something you want to do. Also, unlike in the movies, it's very hard for a newcomer to hit accurately at ten to twenty yards, and even harder to hit the right location.
If anything, i hope that people will look at these events and realize that they need to protect themselves and others by their own means. If you choose to do this, please, take the training necessary and practice practice practice until you're sick of it.
People live in fear so much and it's sad to see that. Our society has grown up around the teachings of the media, presented with hand picked stories to shape our minds around. You have to do this, or that in order for your life to come out good. I'm in absolutely no way defending the shooter, but if we as people know someone who is having a tough time in their life, or is simply fed up with life in general, try to help them or get them the help they need. We tend to shut out people that appear different, or appear unhappy. Label them losers or no good to society. Are there bad people not fit to be among us? Certainly, but more times than not we turn away from people who exhibit all the signs of being unstable.
Some people are just messed up, and we unfortunately saw that today. In some cases there's nothing we can do but protect ourselves. You don't mow over a weed and hope it goes away, you take the problem out by the root.
Our gun crime problem is not a problem inherent to the guns themselves, i believe it to be more of a cultural thing. History has proven time after time that any substance or activity that is banned will result in a more negative manifestation of that given subject.
Now, with that said, you can't just allow everyone to have firearms and expect the problem to go away. The media demonizes guns. Instead of doing that, from a young age, educate people on the proper use of them. Teach them that their personal safety is THEIR responsibility. Simply buying a firearm, loading it and stashing it in your coat is not good enough. People need to grow up having the training to use these weapons. It's easy to buy a gun, but when bullets are flying and everyone is in a panic, if you've never been trained for the situation, the average person will either freeze up, run, or try to take a shot while shaking uncontrollably. Hitting an innocent person or someone through a wall is not something you want to do. Also, unlike in the movies, it's very hard for a newcomer to hit accurately at ten to twenty yards, and even harder to hit the right location.
If anything, i hope that people will look at these events and realize that they need to protect themselves and others by their own means. If you choose to do this, please, take the training necessary and practice practice practice until you're sick of it.
People live in fear so much and it's sad to see that. Our society has grown up around the teachings of the media, presented with hand picked stories to shape our minds around. You have to do this, or that in order for your life to come out good. I'm in absolutely no way defending the shooter, but if we as people know someone who is having a tough time in their life, or is simply fed up with life in general, try to help them or get them the help they need. We tend to shut out people that appear different, or appear unhappy. Label them losers or no good to society. Are there bad people not fit to be among us? Certainly, but more times than not we turn away from people who exhibit all the signs of being unstable.
Some people are just messed up, and we unfortunately saw that today. In some cases there's nothing we can do but protect ourselves. You don't mow over a weed and hope it goes away, you take the problem out by the root.
Nothing prevents a nut job from legally buying a gun and going on a shooting rampage... just like the VT shootings.
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
And there it is. Without knowing hardly any facts, the call goes out to restrict freedom.
Gun free zone = victim rich zone....over and over and over and over.....
So who in an elementary school should be packing?
The teachers.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
And there it is. Without knowing hardly any facts, the call goes out to restrict freedom.
Gun free zone = victim rich zone....over and over and over and over.....
So who in an elementary school should be packing?
The teachers.
I'd gladly pay higher taxes if schools would lock down their campuses. I work with this technology all day ironically at a childrens hospital. This tragedy and others can easily be avoided. May inconvenience some but that's better than 20 dead children. Scarred for life.. nothing worse than children dying before being able to experience life. May they all rest in peace and that piece of scum hopefully is getting what he deserves.
I'm old enough to remember when society was not "insane" like it is today.
What's happened? No Jobs? Zero social pressure to behave? Genetically modified crops and hormone laden meat?
We ignore bad behavior, that's for sure. We demonize the gun, but ignore the problem child.
My High School's rifle club was great fun. We all carried our guns to school and left them in our cars/trucks. Nobody was ever at risk, ever.
Today, little Johnny gets perma-suspended for having a 22 round in his locker. Something is really wrong with society today!
By the way, I've lived in Newtown, Wilton and Monroe Connecticut. I grew up there. This is so sad.
What's happened? No Jobs? Zero social pressure to behave? Genetically modified crops and hormone laden meat?
We ignore bad behavior, that's for sure. We demonize the gun, but ignore the problem child.
My High School's rifle club was great fun. We all carried our guns to school and left them in our cars/trucks. Nobody was ever at risk, ever.
Today, little Johnny gets perma-suspended for having a 22 round in his locker. Something is really wrong with society today!
By the way, I've lived in Newtown, Wilton and Monroe Connecticut. I grew up there. This is so sad.
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Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
The shooter, identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, lived in Hoboken, N.J.
I've been to Hoboken a couple of times myself and will admit that being there gave me feelings of hopelessness, anger, and rage. It is a terrible place - it's dark and there's little color or contrast to the scenery. People don't acknowledge the presence of strangers in public. Imagine going to prison and dying there and living on as an invisible ghost forever with no hope of ever leaving or ever doing anything. Hoboken's like that.
The shooter, identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, lived in Hoboken, N.J.
I've been to Hoboken a couple of times myself and will admit that being there gave me feelings of hopelessness, anger, and rage. It is a terrible place - it's dark and there's little color or contrast to the scenery. People don't acknowledge the presence of strangers in public. Imagine going to prison and dying there and living on as an invisible ghost forever with no hope of ever leaving or ever doing anything. Hoboken's like that.
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
The shooter, identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, lived in Hoboken, N.J.
I've been to Hoboken a couple of times myself and will admit that being there gave me feelings of hopelessness, anger, and rage. It is a terrible place
Hoboken has changed a lot (for the better, IMO) in the last decade or so. It's not a bad place, at least compared to places like Newark or Camden.
Besides, that's incorrect news. The shooter's brother lives in Hoboken. The shooter himself lived with his mother in Newtown, CT.
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
The shooter, identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, lived in Hoboken, N.J.
I've been to Hoboken a couple of times myself and will admit that being there gave me feelings of hopelessness, anger, and rage. It is a terrible place
Hoboken has changed a lot (for the better, IMO) in the last decade or so. It's not a bad place, at least compared to places like Newark or Camden.
Besides, that's incorrect news. The shooter's brother lives in Hoboken. The shooter himself lived with his mother in Newtown, CT.
I don't think anything can prevent situations like this. Regardless how much we focus on our kids. Anyone can snap in a second. My heart goes out to those kids and their families.
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