I work on all the Sheriff's outfits in my county and they get bulk Mobil 5W-20 since it's a fleet of Dodge Ram's with 4.7 and 5.7's. We also do the highway patrol cars from time to time and they get the same thing except some of the new Interceptors they have from Ford are calling for 5w30 instead.
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There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
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I have a bottle of #9 that came in a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit(.22) that I purchased 49 years ago at a Gibsons in Alamogordo,NM. Do you think the #9 is still usable? I don't shoot anymore so don't know if it would clean a barrel. Kit itself is like new.
Prolly just fine unless it's thickened up ...
I have a bottle of #9 that came in a Hoppe's gun cleaning kit(.22) that I purchased 49 years ago at a Gibsons in Alamogordo,NM. Do you think the #9 is still usable? I don't shoot anymore so don't know if it would clean a barrel. Kit itself is like new.
Prolly just fine unless it's thickened up ...
Originally Posted By: cb4017
I worked for a small municipal PD. We contracted with a local repair shop for our vehicle maintenance. Our Crown Vics got whatever bulk oil the repair shop used. I believe it was 15w40 but I'm not sure of the brand. Our cars went a lot of miles with no engine related problems. I've since retired but they are still driving a few of those Crown Vics.
Crown Vics can run on just about anything. I think the honest answer regarding PDs is they use whatever is the cheapest they can afford that isn't mandated by the state etc. Over all police fleets get the tar beat out of them and generally all run well. It really has more to do with the build quality of the vehicle versus the specific oils used. You can't tell me that the big manufacturers of fleet vehicles (Ford, Chevy etc.) aren't aware that their vehicles are going to be using everything from proper spec to Crisco in their engines.
I worked for a small municipal PD. We contracted with a local repair shop for our vehicle maintenance. Our Crown Vics got whatever bulk oil the repair shop used. I believe it was 15w40 but I'm not sure of the brand. Our cars went a lot of miles with no engine related problems. I've since retired but they are still driving a few of those Crown Vics.
Crown Vics can run on just about anything. I think the honest answer regarding PDs is they use whatever is the cheapest they can afford that isn't mandated by the state etc. Over all police fleets get the tar beat out of them and generally all run well. It really has more to do with the build quality of the vehicle versus the specific oils used. You can't tell me that the big manufacturers of fleet vehicles (Ford, Chevy etc.) aren't aware that their vehicles are going to be using everything from proper spec to Crisco in their engines.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
I see a lot of State Patrol cars at my guys shop, he said most of them use Valvoline bulk which he says is a blend.
One of the police departments here was using the local Honda dealer for service, and they all got bulk Quaker State Conventional 5w20. The CHP used to have a shop in Oakland, don't know how they're maintaining their cars.
The 2 Ford dealers near me always have a Albany/Berkeley or Richmond PD car in their service drives when I need to pick up something there.
The 2 Ford dealers near me always have a Albany/Berkeley or Richmond PD car in their service drives when I need to pick up something there.
Currently it is Big-O tires here. Prior it was a local garage which uses Napa parts. I preferred it when the local government used a local garage.
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Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
Very true, to re word it I will typically see them sitting at a rest stop for what I would imagine is hours on end as well.
Regarding the Explorers, from everything I hear they are doing awesome. I feel like recently every police fleet I have seen, local and state, drive them
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
Very true, to re word it I will typically see them sitting at a rest stop for what I would imagine is hours on end as well.
Regarding the Explorers, from everything I hear they are doing awesome. I feel like recently every police fleet I have seen, local and state, drive them
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Regarding the Explorers, from everything I hear they are doing awesome. I feel like recently every police fleet I have seen, local and state, drive them
The CHP has ordered the Dodge Charger Pursuit - I think bdcardinal was saying that he sees quite a few CHP Explorers come in for roasted AWD PTO units - and the CHP isn't too happy about that. The local police have been buying the Explorers and Taurii - I've also seen the Chevy Caprice, ergo Holden Commodore in LHD form used here - NorCal just never caught on with the Chevy Impala.
http://www.government-fleet.com/news/sto...nforcement.aspx
Regarding the Explorers, from everything I hear they are doing awesome. I feel like recently every police fleet I have seen, local and state, drive them
The CHP has ordered the Dodge Charger Pursuit - I think bdcardinal was saying that he sees quite a few CHP Explorers come in for roasted AWD PTO units - and the CHP isn't too happy about that. The local police have been buying the Explorers and Taurii - I've also seen the Chevy Caprice, ergo Holden Commodore in LHD form used here - NorCal just never caught on with the Chevy Impala.
http://www.government-fleet.com/news/sto...nforcement.aspx
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
The 4.6L's are old tech in the Vic's, I think American Top Gear showed a Police Interceptor Crown Vic being outrun by a Toyota Sienna albeit one being driven by a professional racer.
I'd be interested in seeing how the newer SHO's and Explorers are doing in a study as well. But again, they do not rely on oil cooling like the turbos of old. Some SHO Ecoboosts have to be nearing, or are, over 100K on the clock by now...
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
The 4.6L's are old tech in the Vic's, I think American Top Gear showed a Police Interceptor Crown Vic being outrun by a Toyota Sienna albeit one being driven by a professional racer.
I'd be interested in seeing how the newer SHO's and Explorers are doing in a study as well. But again, they do not rely on oil cooling like the turbos of old. Some SHO Ecoboosts have to be nearing, or are, over 100K on the clock by now...
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
Very true, to re word it I will typically see them sitting at a rest stop for what I would imagine is hours on end as well.
Regarding the Explorers, from everything I hear they are doing awesome. I feel like recently every police fleet I have seen, local and state, drive them
Tahoes are actually bigger here, the Buffalo City PD went with them and I guess they save money in fuel costs because the four-cylinder shutdown on idle actually saves over the Crown Vic's constant 8-cyl. Not sure what they use but I'm guessing it's probably AC Delco Dexos1 since they were purchased through a smaller dealership in Boston, NY (strangely) that has since changed hands...
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
Very true, to re word it I will typically see them sitting at a rest stop for what I would imagine is hours on end as well.
Regarding the Explorers, from everything I hear they are doing awesome. I feel like recently every police fleet I have seen, local and state, drive them
Tahoes are actually bigger here, the Buffalo City PD went with them and I guess they save money in fuel costs because the four-cylinder shutdown on idle actually saves over the Crown Vic's constant 8-cyl. Not sure what they use but I'm guessing it's probably AC Delco Dexos1 since they were purchased through a smaller dealership in Boston, NY (strangely) that has since changed hands...
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
The 4.6L's are old tech in the Vic's, I think American Top Gear showed a Police Interceptor Crown Vic being outrun by a Toyota Sienna albeit one being driven by a professional racer.
I'd be interested in seeing how the newer SHO's and Explorers are doing in a study as well. But again, they do not rely on oil cooling like the turbos of old. Some SHO Ecoboosts have to be nearing, or are, over 100K on the clock by now...
Well, it is not surprising. I think that Honda engine is 290hp or something like that with 9 speed ZF transmission (I could be wrong ehre but I think that is the case). So no surprise there.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
There's a thread around here where someone states that the Massachusetts' Highway Patrol was using Mobil 1 0w30 and/or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 with good results...
That is interesting. Good oil considering they are probably hoping to stretch every dollar possible. The State Troopers average about 100 MPH on the highway whenever I have seen them haha
100mph is actually nothing.
Bigger problem IMO is idling, lot of city driving etc. HWY, especially when they push cars is actually good for engine (granted, if they do not go 0-120mph in no time while oil is dead cold).
As for Crown Vics. 4.6ltr engine and 200+hp. I mean you could run Extra Virgin Olive Oil in it and it would be fine.
I am though wondering how Ecoboost engines are doing in Ford Explorers in PD's, considering Explorer is apparently darling of PD's across the country? Anyone has info?
The 4.6L's are old tech in the Vic's, I think American Top Gear showed a Police Interceptor Crown Vic being outrun by a Toyota Sienna albeit one being driven by a professional racer.
I'd be interested in seeing how the newer SHO's and Explorers are doing in a study as well. But again, they do not rely on oil cooling like the turbos of old. Some SHO Ecoboosts have to be nearing, or are, over 100K on the clock by now...
Well, it is not surprising. I think that Honda engine is 290hp or something like that with 9 speed ZF transmission (I could be wrong ehre but I think that is the case). So no surprise there.
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Tahoes are actually bigger here, the Buffalo City PD went with them and I guess they save money in fuel costs because the four-cylinder shutdown on idle actually saves over the Crown Vic's constant 8-cyl. Not sure what they use but I'm guessing it's probably AC Delco Dexos1 since they were purchased through a smaller dealership in Boston, NY (strangely) that has since changed hands...
Here in CO it is Explorer. High altitude+turbo=winning combination!
Tahoes are actually bigger here, the Buffalo City PD went with them and I guess they save money in fuel costs because the four-cylinder shutdown on idle actually saves over the Crown Vic's constant 8-cyl. Not sure what they use but I'm guessing it's probably AC Delco Dexos1 since they were purchased through a smaller dealership in Boston, NY (strangely) that has since changed hands...
Here in CO it is Explorer. High altitude+turbo=winning combination!
Originally Posted By: nthach
I've also seen the Chevy Caprice, ergo Holden Commodore in LHD form used here
No problem, just out of interest, the Holden Commodore would be equivalent to the Chevrolet SS. The Holden Statesman Caprice, just call the Caprice now days, is a slightly larger car and equivalent to the Chevy Caprice. Both are rear wheel drive.
The Caprice is a luxury car here, for the mature market with lots of money. The sort of people who would consider a large MB, or 7 series BMW, or a Jag in the old days. Mostly ignored by the performance and younger crowd, even though they have made some performance HSV versions.
Anyway, when I saw a picture of the Caprice done up as a police patrol car, my jaw dropped and I wanted one. They look great in combat fatigues rather than a business suit.
What engine do they use there ? The 6.2L LS3 V8 ?
I hear the Chevy Caprice is very popular in Saudi Arabia too, they handle the heat and sand well from what I hear.
We would run a Dexos 5W30 in a Caprice.
I've also seen the Chevy Caprice, ergo Holden Commodore in LHD form used here
No problem, just out of interest, the Holden Commodore would be equivalent to the Chevrolet SS. The Holden Statesman Caprice, just call the Caprice now days, is a slightly larger car and equivalent to the Chevy Caprice. Both are rear wheel drive.
The Caprice is a luxury car here, for the mature market with lots of money. The sort of people who would consider a large MB, or 7 series BMW, or a Jag in the old days. Mostly ignored by the performance and younger crowd, even though they have made some performance HSV versions.
Anyway, when I saw a picture of the Caprice done up as a police patrol car, my jaw dropped and I wanted one. They look great in combat fatigues rather than a business suit.
What engine do they use there ? The 6.2L LS3 V8 ?
I hear the Chevy Caprice is very popular in Saudi Arabia too, they handle the heat and sand well from what I hear.
We would run a Dexos 5W30 in a Caprice.
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: nthach
I've also seen the Chevy Caprice, ergo Holden Commodore in LHD form used here
No problem, just out of interest, the Holden Commodore would be equivalent to the Chevrolet SS. The Holden Statesman Caprice, just call the Caprice now days, is a slightly larger car and equivalent to the Chevy Caprice. Both are rear wheel drive.
The Caprice is a luxury car here, for the mature market with lots of money. The sort of people who would consider a large MB, or 7 series BMW, or a Jag in the old days. Mostly ignored by the performance and younger crowd, even though they have made some performance HSV versions.
Anyway, when I saw a picture of the Caprice done up as a police patrol car, my jaw dropped and I wanted one. They look great in combat fatigues rather than a business suit.
What engine do they use there ? The 6.2L LS3 V8 ?
I hear the Chevy Caprice is very popular in Saudi Arabia too, they handle the heat and sand well from what I hear.
We would run a Dexos 5W30 in a Caprice.
Affordable fullsize cars that don't cost a fortune have always been popular in the Middle East, as was the Caprice - be it the American version that was sold throughout the 1970s up until the mid 1990s or the Australian version that was sold from 2000 onwards. It was offered in 3.6L V6 and 6.0L V8 variants, and sold pretty well. Only real problem they had were with water pumps, which were fixed later. The earlier variants had a few electrical glitches, but the '06+ was solid.
I haven't seen new ones for a while though, and they are no longer on the showroom floor. SUV sales shot up after Ford discontinued the Crown Victoria, which was the most popular fullsize up until production ended in 2011 for MY2012, and right now everyone's flocking after the Tahoe/Yukon instead for a V8 with RWD/AWD and a full frame.
Originally Posted By: nthach
I've also seen the Chevy Caprice, ergo Holden Commodore in LHD form used here
No problem, just out of interest, the Holden Commodore would be equivalent to the Chevrolet SS. The Holden Statesman Caprice, just call the Caprice now days, is a slightly larger car and equivalent to the Chevy Caprice. Both are rear wheel drive.
The Caprice is a luxury car here, for the mature market with lots of money. The sort of people who would consider a large MB, or 7 series BMW, or a Jag in the old days. Mostly ignored by the performance and younger crowd, even though they have made some performance HSV versions.
Anyway, when I saw a picture of the Caprice done up as a police patrol car, my jaw dropped and I wanted one. They look great in combat fatigues rather than a business suit.
What engine do they use there ? The 6.2L LS3 V8 ?
I hear the Chevy Caprice is very popular in Saudi Arabia too, they handle the heat and sand well from what I hear.
We would run a Dexos 5W30 in a Caprice.
Affordable fullsize cars that don't cost a fortune have always been popular in the Middle East, as was the Caprice - be it the American version that was sold throughout the 1970s up until the mid 1990s or the Australian version that was sold from 2000 onwards. It was offered in 3.6L V6 and 6.0L V8 variants, and sold pretty well. Only real problem they had were with water pumps, which were fixed later. The earlier variants had a few electrical glitches, but the '06+ was solid.
I haven't seen new ones for a while though, and they are no longer on the showroom floor. SUV sales shot up after Ford discontinued the Crown Victoria, which was the most popular fullsize up until production ended in 2011 for MY2012, and right now everyone's flocking after the Tahoe/Yukon instead for a V8 with RWD/AWD and a full frame.
Thanks Falcon
The big fords have stopped production in Auatralia, and the big GM Holdens will stop soon.
I'll miss them.
The big fords have stopped production in Auatralia, and the big GM Holdens will stop soon.
I'll miss them.
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Tahoes are actually bigger here, the Buffalo City PD went with them and I guess they save money in fuel costs because the four-cylinder shutdown on idle actually saves over the Crown Vic's constant 8-cyl.[/b] Not sure what they use but I'm guessing it's probably AC Delco Dexos1 since they were purchased through a smaller dealership in Boston, NY (strangely) that has since changed hands...
GM DOD doesn't kill cylinders at idle. It only does it from about 30mph to 65mph light throttle. I have deactivated the DOD on my Tahoe PPV. I actually get better fuel mileage on my commute to work by 1 mpg. Straight up highway use nets a 1/2 mpg decrease.
Where the Tahoe excels the Crown Vic is in maintenance/repair costs over the life of the equipment. Its faster too. I have been out of the Police car fleet scene for a while now. I don't know where the Chargers and Ford PI's into the life cycle costs.
Tahoes are actually bigger here, the Buffalo City PD went with them and I guess they save money in fuel costs because the four-cylinder shutdown on idle actually saves over the Crown Vic's constant 8-cyl.[/b] Not sure what they use but I'm guessing it's probably AC Delco Dexos1 since they were purchased through a smaller dealership in Boston, NY (strangely) that has since changed hands...
GM DOD doesn't kill cylinders at idle. It only does it from about 30mph to 65mph light throttle. I have deactivated the DOD on my Tahoe PPV. I actually get better fuel mileage on my commute to work by 1 mpg. Straight up highway use nets a 1/2 mpg decrease.
Where the Tahoe excels the Crown Vic is in maintenance/repair costs over the life of the equipment. Its faster too. I have been out of the Police car fleet scene for a while now. I don't know where the Chargers and Ford PI's into the life cycle costs.
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