Search Restrictions really annoying
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It is. As much as I want to like this new software, it's not very impressive. It needs some serious work, like bringing back the edit function wwithout having to edit the address bar.
I wonder if it has cut down site traffic much?
I have threads bookmarked back to 2002 that aren't so easy to find anymore on a search (need a search engine for the bookmarks, ho!). Long before the changeover they took some doing when 300 was the max permissible.
Some very good threads in 2002-3 from folks who rarely or never post here anymore.
Some very good threads in 2002-3 from folks who rarely or never post here anymore.
The search feature absolutely sucks. I mean in REALLY SUCKS THE BIG BANANA.
How do my searches impact other users? How did 15 seconds become the magic number to alleviate the impact to other users?
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Ive not had any issues, and broad forum searching across multiple topics is now a breeze, as opposed to the old software, which took minutes instead of seconds.
multiple searches ithin some time frame is annoying, but no moreso than the 60 second 'flood control' that keeps me from executing more efficiently...
JMH
multiple searches ithin some time frame is annoying, but no moreso than the 60 second 'flood control' that keeps me from executing more efficiently...
JMH
The search sucks donkey kong dong. Is there anyway to have it not display every single reply? That's what maxes out the 200 limit. If it would only display post titles, then it would be awesome.
Any computer's ability to multi-task is limited, especially when there are many users online at one time. A search is CPU and disk-intensive and can effect the overall performace of the forum if used frequently and simultaneously by too many users. Therefore, a reasonable interval is in place.
I cannot find this post cached by Google with the search.
The original link is broken, and Google didn't cache pages 2 or 3 of that thread.
The original link is broken, and Google didn't cache pages 2 or 3 of that thread.
Agreed that the search function in this version is "less than stellar". However, this has absolutely nothing to do with the administrators at this board goofing off; it seems to be a very common complaint for all forums using this (or a similar edition of this) software (UBB threads 6.5.5).
http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/sh...0&fpart=all
http://www.ubbdev.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/266227/page/1#Post266227
http://www.shroomery.org/5291/How-do-I-search-the-forums-effectively
From here: An “easy” way to set the date range if you don't want to limit your search to a specific time is to click on the little arrow to the right of "Week(s)", which is next to "Newer than" and select the blank space above "Day(s)". Erase the "1" in the box next to it, and your search will now include posts from all dates/times.
When you perform a search, currently, instead of giving you a list of the threads where your keywords are located, it gives you EVERY SINGLE post that your keywords are located in. Quite annoying… this in and of itself makes the search function almost unusable. The best way “around” I have found is to just set the “number of results per page” to a huge number so you can scroll through entries from the same thread quickly.
Like Larry said, the 15 second wait/flood control is to give the server some breathing room; large searches are apparently extremely taxing. It could be worse: some forums have it set for 20 seconds or even a minute!
If you wanted to search the UOA forums for a Ford Focus, you would do something like this:
1) Select the “Gas Engine Used Oil Analysis” as the forum you want to search in.
2) Blank out the date range as described above.
3) Set the keyword search for “in subject”
4) Type (verbatim): +focus
In response to another thread in the oil filter section, if you wanted to search for information on Mobil vs. Amsoil filters, you would do something like this:
1) Select the “Oil Filters” as the forum you want to search in.
2) Blank out the date range as described above.
3) Set the keyword search for “in subject and body”
4) Type (verbatim): +mobil +amsoil +better
You will still have to sift through a bunch of ________ to get what you’re after, but you should have some semi-usable results. Similar keyword combos would probably work too; you really have to kind of tinker with it. It’s not really the best search engine. However, it’s what’s there right now, and there is some great stuff packed away in the dark on this board (I’ve been looking). Hope this helps.
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http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/sh...0&fpart=all
http://www.ubbdev.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/266227/page/1#Post266227
http://www.shroomery.org/5291/How-do-I-search-the-forums-effectively
From here: An “easy” way to set the date range if you don't want to limit your search to a specific time is to click on the little arrow to the right of "Week(s)", which is next to "Newer than" and select the blank space above "Day(s)". Erase the "1" in the box next to it, and your search will now include posts from all dates/times.
When you perform a search, currently, instead of giving you a list of the threads where your keywords are located, it gives you EVERY SINGLE post that your keywords are located in. Quite annoying… this in and of itself makes the search function almost unusable. The best way “around” I have found is to just set the “number of results per page” to a huge number so you can scroll through entries from the same thread quickly.
Like Larry said, the 15 second wait/flood control is to give the server some breathing room; large searches are apparently extremely taxing. It could be worse: some forums have it set for 20 seconds or even a minute!
If you wanted to search the UOA forums for a Ford Focus, you would do something like this:
1) Select the “Gas Engine Used Oil Analysis” as the forum you want to search in.
2) Blank out the date range as described above.
3) Set the keyword search for “in subject”
4) Type (verbatim): +focus
In response to another thread in the oil filter section, if you wanted to search for information on Mobil vs. Amsoil filters, you would do something like this:
1) Select the “Oil Filters” as the forum you want to search in.
2) Blank out the date range as described above.
3) Set the keyword search for “in subject and body”
4) Type (verbatim): +mobil +amsoil +better
You will still have to sift through a bunch of ________ to get what you’re after, but you should have some semi-usable results. Similar keyword combos would probably work too; you really have to kind of tinker with it. It’s not really the best search engine. However, it’s what’s there right now, and there is some great stuff packed away in the dark on this board (I’ve been looking). Hope this helps.
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There must have been something wrong with the timer then
because it was alot longer than 15seconds between searches.
+1 on the fact it shows EVERY POST your word is in..
it would be much better if it listed every THREAD with your keyword in it. perhaps by relevance(sp?)
I'm not griping to much. I was abit frustrated with the new system when I started this topic.
because it was alot longer than 15seconds between searches.
+1 on the fact it shows EVERY POST your word is in..
it would be much better if it listed every THREAD with your keyword in it. perhaps by relevance(sp?)
I'm not griping to much. I was abit frustrated with the new system when I started this topic.
I'd prefer to just use Google to search this forum, but apparently the upgrade broke every single link to every old post.
News flash. The board didn't switch itself to this UBB system with the lousy search system.
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I thought UBB had "automatic updates" like Windows XP?
Hey, I’m not trying to play devil’s advocate here (oh wait... uhh... I am). What I’m saying is that the administrators were forced against their will by the unmovable hand of almighty ________ to switch the old software for this one because of compatibility/reliability/security/cost/boredom/etc. issues. Who knows why they ended up with this particular version? There are quite a few nice features you have to admit. The forum DOES load about a hundred times faster than it used to (solely due to the software?), and recent posts are much easier/quicker to find (due to the software). More smilies too, alright! Maybe it’s more manageable on their end as well; I don’t know jack about computers. The point is, you're not ever supposed to complain about anything. Ever. No matter how unreasonable it is or how much anguish it causes you. I'll bet you don't even need what you think you do. You didn't know that about yourself did you? Exactly.
Here. I dug this out of the internets, maybe a mod will see this; the PM function doesn’t appear to be working for me right now either (already tried twice): http://www.ubbdev.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/283893/page/1 Does anyone who knows anything about computers think this is a useful piece of information? This might just as well crash the whole server for all I know, or only work on version 6.5.xx (which is of course the one we wouldn't have). Furthermore, for all I know, the people (or is it a[n overworked] person?) who manage all this is a long-time member on the other site and they had some huge discussion 2 years ago about how this fix actually ended up causing more problems than it solved. Maybe they’ve been up for the last 36 hours without any sleep and are implementing a better fix as we speak. Who knows? Anyway, there’s some stuff you can look at and bother/pressure them to death with if it works. (If this post sounds angry to you, it’s probably because you’re projecting a part of yourself into it; I’m laughing as I’m writing this...)
Another issue with the search function that has cropped up:
In a recent “Honda factory fill” type-post, the thread starter (reasonably) complains that he can’t scour the forums for old threads because the search function is junk. Now imagine that you’re a person who doesn’t know very much about the issue, but wants to make an honest effort to learn. I’m guessing (not so hypothetically) that you would type something like: honda break in and search the “Car and Truck Gas Engine Oil” section. Try it and see what you get. Worthless. Now let’s give this person the benefit of the doubt and assume that have the search a little more under control. They type: +honda “ break in ” Not much better. (As of 10/10/06, you get 1 or 2 helpful threads and a huge chunk is filled up the a bunch of individual posts from the same few threads). What will grab you the best results would be something like +honda “ break in ” +moly (making sure your quotes are 1 space out from the words) searching the “Car and Truck Gas Engine Oil” in the subject and body with no specified date range.
Here’s the problem: if you’re still trying to figure out what the heck all this Honda break in business is about, there’s little chance you are going to know you have to include “moly” or any host of imperative keywords in your search because YOU DON’T “FRIKIN” KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TOPIC TO BEGIN WITH, WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE PROBABLY LOOKING IN THE FIRST “FRIKIN” PLACE. The search function in this software is basically prejudiced against new users. Whoever designed it did a heck of a job. Could I do better if I designed it myself? Nope. But I’m not a programmer. I’m good at my job, which incidentally, has nothing to do with oil or computers. Now I really am a little steamed.
Woo woo! My top’s blowin; that’s how I know it’s time for my lunch. Adios folks, “hope this helps”...
Here. I dug this out of the internets, maybe a mod will see this; the PM function doesn’t appear to be working for me right now either (already tried twice): http://www.ubbdev.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/283893/page/1 Does anyone who knows anything about computers think this is a useful piece of information? This might just as well crash the whole server for all I know, or only work on version 6.5.xx (which is of course the one we wouldn't have). Furthermore, for all I know, the people (or is it a[n overworked] person?) who manage
Another issue with the search function that has cropped up:
In a recent “Honda factory fill” type-post, the thread starter (reasonably) complains that he can’t scour the forums for old threads because the search function is junk. Now imagine that you’re a person who doesn’t know very much about the issue, but wants to make an honest effort to learn. I’m guessing (not so hypothetically) that you would type something like: honda break in and search the “Car and Truck Gas Engine Oil” section. Try it and see what you get. Worthless. Now let’s give this person the benefit of the doubt and assume that have the search a little more under control. They type: +honda “ break in ” Not much better. (As of 10/10/06, you get 1 or 2 helpful threads and a huge chunk is filled up the a bunch of individual posts from the same few threads). What will grab you the best results would be something like +honda “ break in ” +moly (making sure your quotes are 1 space out from the words) searching the “Car and Truck Gas Engine Oil” in the subject and body with no specified date range.
Here’s the problem: if you’re still trying to figure out what the heck all this Honda break in business is about, there’s little chance you are going to know you have to include “moly” or any host of imperative keywords in your search because YOU DON’T “FRIKIN” KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TOPIC TO BEGIN WITH, WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE PROBABLY LOOKING IN THE FIRST “FRIKIN” PLACE. The search function in this software is basically prejudiced against new users. Whoever designed it did a heck of a job. Could I do better if I designed it myself? Nope. But I’m not a programmer. I’m good at my job, which incidentally, has nothing to do with oil or computers. Now I really am a little steamed.
The 15 second restriction is very annoying. I'd suggest a limit of 4 searches per minute, rather than a limit of 1 per 15 seconds, if that is possible.
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