I heard it years ago with just Heisenberg and Schrodinger, so had to look it up. Ohm was a nice addition ... and a fine excuse to slip this in:
Schrödinger's Cat
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People suspect Volta and Ampere for this. They could be right.
Watt's that you say?
Missy Blu and Mickey. Bonded pair.
She's a nice cat; he's a corker.
I've had cats all my life.
MolaKule
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If this gets me banned....l
Heisenberg, Ohm and Schrodinger are in a car. They get pulled over.
Heisenberg is driving, and the cop asks him, “Do you know how fast you were going?”
“No, but I know exactly where I am,” Heisenberg replies.
The cop says, “You were doing 55 in a 35.”
Heisenberg throws up his hands and shouts, “Great! Now I’m lost!”
The cop thinks this is suspicious and orders him to pop open the trunk. He checks it out and says, “Do you know you have a dead cat back here?”
“We do now, jerk!” shouts Schrodinger, getting belligerent.
The cop moves to arrest them. Ohm resists.
Heisenberg, Ohm and Schrodinger are in a car. They get pulled over.
Heisenberg is driving, and the cop asks him, “Do you know how fast you were going?”
“No, but I know exactly where I am,” Heisenberg replies.
The cop says, “You were doing 55 in a 35.”
Heisenberg throws up his hands and shouts, “Great! Now I’m lost!”
The cop thinks this is suspicious and orders him to pop open the trunk. He checks it out and says, “Do you know you have a dead cat back here?”
“We do now, jerk!” shouts Schrodinger, getting belligerent.
The cop moves to arrest them. Ohm resists.
MolaKule
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Consider the following questions:
1. Do the mathematics really describe reality, such as a multiverse having a live cat in one universe and a dead cat in the other? Multiverses are hypothetical constructs. How many observable universes are there?
2. In the realm of biology, can you really have the same cat both dead and alive simultaneously in the real world?
"Einstein and Schrödinger began discussing these points together as well, once Schrödinger moved to Berlin in 1927. (He succeeded Max Planck.) They enjoyed Wiener Würstelabende evenings together (Viennese sausage parties), and sailing on the lake near Einstein’s summer home. In one letter, Einstein asked Schrödinger to imagine that a ball had been placed in one of two identical, closed boxes. Prior to opening either box, the probability of finding the ball in Box 1 was 50%. “Is this a complete description? NO: A complete statement is: the ball is (or is not) in the first box.”
Schrodinger's reply to Einstein: “Confined in a steel chamber is a Geiger counter prepared with a tiny amount of [radioactive] uranium, so small that in the next hour it is just as probable to expect one atomic decay as none. An amplified relay provides that the first atomic decay shatters a small bottle of prussic acid [cyanide poison]. This and — cruelly — a cat is also trapped in the steel chamber.” “After one hour, the living and dead cat are smeared out in equal measure.”
Einstein’s reply (4 September 1935): “Your cat shows that we are in complete agreement. A y-function that contains the living as well as the dead cat just cannot be taken as a description of the real state of affairs.”
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/sts-042...all-2020/resources/mitsts_042j_f20_lec12_pdf/
BTW, the Schrodinger Equation is simply a way of describing the wavefunction of a particle in an energy field, whether the energy field be a potetial electric field, a magnetic field, or whatever.
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1 last time i checked, unless you ask a college student, no offense.haha
no, but in fairyland, why not
you could have left this out professor
right, there is 100% certainty that there is a ball in one box
So einstein saw the distinct difference from the theoretical mathematical world and the real world? he was a smart dude.
Thanks for the reply. Hope the levity is welcome.
Follow up ......so is it the case that this is a misused theory. To me it seems so.
MolaKule
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Viennese sausages on the grill can be really tasty.
The cat experiment is a thought experiment about the quantum superposition of states and has resulted in a number of interpretations, many of them really silly.
Niels Bohr said the superposition itself had no physical meaning.
I have to agree with John Cramer and his 'transactional' interpretation, which seems to resolve the paradox, in which the cat is never in superposition. The transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics. Vol. 58. Reviews of Modern Physics. pp. 647–685, 1986.
Viennese sausages on the grill can be really tasty.
The cat experiment is a thought experiment about the quantum superposition of states and has resulted in a number of interpretations, many of them really silly.
Niels Bohr said the superposition itself had no physical meaning.
I have to agree with John Cramer and his 'transactional' interpretation, which seems to resolve the paradox, in which the cat is never in superposition. The transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics. Vol. 58. Reviews of Modern Physics. pp. 647–685, 1986.
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I like the Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment because I believe it makes people think. People like cats and probably don't like to think of them dead in the box, so they think about it; maybe even hard.
What did Professor Feynman say? If it fails the experiment it's worong?
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says 'science teaches such and such', he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn't teach it; experience teaches it”
Didn't Professor Einstein believe curiosity was more important than knowledge?
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existence."
So I try and stay curious...
What did Professor Feynman say? If it fails the experiment it's worong?
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says 'science teaches such and such', he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn't teach it; experience teaches it”
Didn't Professor Einstein believe curiosity was more important than knowledge?
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existence."
So I try and stay curious...
Schrodinger's Cat Box
f(x) = a (1 - r)x
a = initial reek (set to infinity)
r = rate of stink decay
x = time (intervals)
f(x) = a (1 - r)x
a = initial reek (set to infinity)
r = rate of stink decay
x = time (intervals)
Nahh, it is pretty well settled at this point:
Murder
Sleep
Murder with no intention to eat the victim
Sleep
Play with the intent to Murder
Sleep
Eat
Wish I were bigger so I could murder the weird homosapien that feeds me sometimes
Sleep
Murder and eat part of victim
Puke victim inside homosapien's abode
Murder and offer homosapien a peace offering for thinking about murdering him
Sleep
Repeat
Curious like a cat.......can be good and bad.
the more you learn, the less you know kind of thing.
I also try to stay curious, but sometimes, I find out stuff that I would have rather not known.....
I think that Schrodingers Cat at face value is nonsensical
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My cat sometimes brings me his catch........then when I try to accept the gift, he growls and runs away. They are a treat to have though.
Lord help anyone who would hurt my cat.
Well, resistance is futile…
MolaKule
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"Through this thought experiment, Erwin [Schrödinger] successfully showed that the Copenhagen Interpretation must be inherently flawed.
But this hasn’t put the issue to bed. Even today some still use Schrödinger’s paradox to support the premise behind the experiment. This is completely contrary to his original intent.
Since then modern quantum physics has shown that quantum superposition does exist in subatomic particles like electrons, it cannot be applied to larger objects.
In 1926, over a six month period and aged 39, he produced a series of papers that laid the foundations of quantum wave mechanics. In these seminal works, he described his partial differential equation.
This equation is the basic equation of quantum mechanics and is as important to the mechanics of the atom as Newton’s equations are to planetary astronomy.
His most famous work was his 1935 thought experiment, The Schrödinger’s Cat Paradox, that attempted to explain the flawed prevalent interpretation of quantum superposition.
At that time the Copenhagen Interpretation stated that an object in a physical system can exist in all possible configurations at any one time. However, once the system was observed this state collapsed, forcing the observed object to ‘fix’ into one of several combinations instantaneously.
Schrödinger fundamentally disagreed with this interpretation and set out to put things straight.
He was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1933."
https://interestingengineering.com/science/schrodingers-cat-paradox-who-killed-the-cat
I don't know too much about quantum mechanics other than having to pass the exam in school. The way I see the Schrodinger explanation is that observation causes the originating action to change. It is hard for human to understand that your dealer's card changes when you try to show it, but when you use a cat to explain it then it will catch people's attention.
I'm actually more intrigued by the randomness of nature more than the schrodinger's reality. As long as there's randomness that couldn't be explained we will always be puzzled by this.
I'm actually more intrigued by the randomness of nature more than the schrodinger's reality. As long as there's randomness that couldn't be explained we will always be puzzled by this.
