Schoolyard bullying - who's the bully ?

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Bullying is endemic in this country. In the schools, workplaces, homes. Gangs wandering the streets, putting people in hospital etc.

Morning news was of an overweight kid who'd been bullied for 4 years solid snapped. Obviously set up, by kids with camera phones, a snappy punch to the face...and he snapped.

Picked the kid up, slammed him, then went to walk away.

http://media.smh.com.au/technology/tech-talk/violent-vision-of-school-yard-bullying-2233922.html

Freakin' do-gooders on the morning news talking about him throwing a smaller, younger kid, psychologists telling of a dangerous new trend, that kids seeing it might want to emulate.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technol...0315-1bvmu.html

Got no problem with him being suspended under our state's "No touch" policy...but for the do gooders to be blaming him for the initiation of proceedings with a bunch of kids is going too far.
 
Nothing new, bullying is common, and so are fights, its just playground basics, I say the bully got his [censored] beat, chalk it up as a win for the bullied. They should have both been suspended in the case of a no touch policy, and for the record that kid must sucker punch like a 4 year old for the kid to just continue standing there, lol..
 
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Lots of stuff going on close to home & overseas. Yes I care & have a heart but I can only do so much. With that in mind I live my life & take care of those around me. To much concern & worry can bog you down. Before you jump on me I just helped out the neighbor yesterday.
 
I'd say the kid used restraint. He could have really beaten that smaller kid! And you can be dog gone sure if I was his dad the school is going to have a really big fight from me for suspending him.
 
Never admitted it much, but I was bullied - a lot. Beat up at the bus stops frequently, had to run home as fast as possible, on and on...

Problem was it was 3-5:1 of me. Once my Dad found out, he let me fight the main one 1:1 in the front yard and I did ok.

Man, those were tough years with lasting effects.
 
Nice slam! When you start a fight, you can't really complain if the other guy decides to end it.

In high school, there was a new kid that happened to be in my buddy's gym class (same school, different class). A bully decided to pick on him by walking up, slapping the new kid, and asking him what he's going to do about it. The new kid threw a high kick which knocked the bully's head into the concrete gymnasium wall and KO'd him. I'm sure the kids at the school are laughing at the 'victim' of this latest incident as much as I laughed when I heard about that one.
 
Originally Posted By: rpn453
Nice slam! When you start a fight, you can't really complain if the other guy decides to end it.

+1
Find a safer hobby.
 
Originally Posted By: robshelton
I'd say the kid used restraint. He could have really beaten that smaller kid! And you can be dog gone sure if I was his dad the school is going to have a really big fight from me for suspending him.


AMEN! Since when is a student defending himself, from not one BUT TWO punches to the face, grounds to be suspended? The kid who threw the punches should be suspended if not expelled. These zero tolernace policies are ridiculous.

Zero tolerance = nothing more than zero common sense.
 
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I started my son in Martial Arts at the age of 4, by the time he was 16 he had a Black Belt, but was able to handle himself long before that. He was always average size, not a very big person. His Instructors were amazing, and did not give rank away. They taught how to fight standing and on the floor, no Kata. I had him there 3-4 times a week. My buddy and I had also taught him some basic Jiu-Jitsu skills.

Any altercations he had came to a very quick end and he came out injury free. I told him I'd be behind him 100% if he had to use his skills, with only one hitch. If he started the problem he'd have hel-l to pay. He was suspended twice, once in Junior HS, and again in HS. Both times for defending himself, both times I told the school Principal that my son would do exactly what he did again if needed to defend himself, and that I was not going to punish him because there were witnesses stating my son was not the cause. School policy was to suspend anyone involved in a fight. Both kids learned not to mess with him anymore, both were much bigger.

Thank God he was a good kid, and till this day he thanks me for taking him to all those classes. If he has children he'll pass the tradition to them!

My God Son is being bullied he's 9 and has no interest in learning how to defend himself. My son and I feel very bad about that. Maybe when my son comes home on leave he'll try and get my nephew interested in learning.
 
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Way to go, dermapaint!!
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Originally Posted By: tpitcher
Way to go, dermapaint!!
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Thanks!!!!!!!!!! Kids can be cruel, and some even have a pack fighting mentality. It's a lot different than when I grew up in the 60's and 70's.
 
One should never start a fight with someone bigger than them nor never corner anything meaner than you.

I don't agree with the suspension or suspension in general. If a child needs to be suspended, stick them in a classroom for offenders so they can still learn. Sending a child home does nothing. Now for the kid that started the fight...he needs to be suspended but not the "send home" suspension.

I'm sure I will have problems with my son who has Asperger's Disorder and will go into the 8th grade next year. He does not fight at all and there are plenty of "bullies" in his school.
Here's hoping that a couple of classmates that defend him now will do the same in high school.
If not, I'm liable to wind up incarcerated.
 
IMO, nobody should have to take 2 (unprovoked) punches to the face.
The older boy was 100% justified in his response.
I hope the smaller wisexxx does some thinking while he recuperates that painful ankle break.

Why do they call it 'Snapping' when you defend yourself?

PS: Boys have been fighting since the beginning of time.
While adults should not condone it, we must also be wary of 'sissyfying' young men, IMO.
 
HUGE applause for the big guy! I only wish he would`ve finished the job and ripped the small one in two!
 
ah, i sent people to the hospital in high school when they started stuff with me, once the first one goes down the others coward out and flee. This one kid tried to take my lunch money in elementary I hit him as hard as I could in his throat. My parents always defended me, if I did not start the fight.
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
HUGE applause for the big guy! I only wish he would`ve finished the job and ripped the small one in two!


I have to agree. The smaller kid did the Ali shuffle, hands down and all, and was clearly the antagonist. The bigger kid took two shots, which was a big mistake. His next mistake was not finishing the kid when he had him on the floor. Anyone with any training would have made sure that kid didn't get up under his own power. Sorry these things really twist me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The policy my son's school had was wrong suspending both kids, but seems to be the norm from what I hear. Self defense is a right IMO not a crime!
 
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The policy my son's school had was wrong suspending both kids, but seems to be the norm from what I hear. Self defense is a right IMO not a crime!

Self-Defense is a 'basic human right' that's bigger than any man made (lawyer made) law.
I have lost a lot of respect for the 'justice system'.
 
I'm a strong believer that everyone has an inalienable right to self defense, no matter one's age. If somebody threatens violence or acts upon those threats, you absolutely have a right to defend yourself.

I was lucky and was never bullied as a child (I've always been very big) but it was commonplace when I was a kid (1970's and 1980's). I saw it, knew it was wrong but wasn't brave enough to intervene. I was more of a loaner who didn't talk to anyone and I think most were afraid of me.

I saw a lot of bullying and more times than I can count, the bully would torment, demean, or assault somebody until the victim simply snapped. Sometimes the victim lashed out and beat up the bully or he just broke down into a string of obscenities, or just cried and in many instances, the victim just got beat up badly. More often than not, the victim was the one who got punished for breaking the rules, either getting suspended for fighting or made fun of for crying by his peers.

I've never understood crime and punishment in the school system. What essentially amount to muggings and assault are considered non-criminal behavior and receive the same punishment as skipping school or talking out of turn. When somebody defends him or herself from an attacker, both the victim and criminal get the same punishment. If both the attacker and victim are suspended, odds are it is a much worse for the victim who probably cares about school than the bully who doesn't want to be there in the first place.

It's a bizarre system.
 
Both times my son was suspended for defending himself my wife and I went to the school. Both times I told the school Principal that my son was defending himself, and even had teachers as witnesses. I explained if it happened again I gave him my permission and my blessing to defend himself again! I explained that him turning the other cheek would most likely get him punched in the other cheek. Sorry no thank you! Funny thing in all of this, I asked the Principal if he had kids, turns out he had three boys. I asked him if he'd like his kids beaten up, or if they should defend themselves or take a beating because of school policy. His answer was he would have done exactly what I did, but rules are rules. LOL

I actually had to quiet my wife down because she was not happy with the school policy, and no one was going to hit her boy without a retaliation. Fortunately his fights ended quickly, and the kids he had problems with learned from it. He made more friends as a result.
 
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