If you did a used oil analysis with 132 in your oil would the antimony show up as the wear metal lead ? IE if the lab didnt know it was there would they think that the wear lead was higher than normal ?
Schaeffers Moly E.P. Oil Treatment
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Auto Rx is an ester,would the same principles apply(Fractionization),or is it dependent on the type of ester?
MolaKule
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Reagrding the name for#132:
Look at this way, if they called it Antimony EP do you think anyone would know what the heck the product was about?
Last_Z;
As Last_Z said, it has an amazing set of base fluids; it comes out at 2500 cSt and is miscible with any oil without unduly raising viscosity, if not overtreated.
[ March 02, 2004, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]
Look at this way, if they called it Antimony EP do you think anyone would know what the heck the product was about?
Last_Z;
If you stay at or below 50 mL of #132/Quart of Oil, then your vis won't go out of grade.
As Last_Z said, it has an amazing set of base fluids; it comes out at 2500 cSt and is miscible with any oil without unduly raising viscosity, if not overtreated.
[ March 02, 2004, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]
Thanks MolaKule,
Do appreciate the help...obviously I'm not a chemist.
Using #132 with Mobil 1 5w30 I noticed very little viscosity increase. Mixing it with Pennzoil Conventional 5w30 OTOH and the viscosity change was much larger. Does this make sense?
Don't quote me but this stuff has a **** for high flash point , something like 475F or so .
It says on the front of the bottle,
Reduce Friction
Improve Fuel Economy
Reduce Oil Consumption
Improve Film Strength
I don't think there is anything lame about this product and I do think it will do all of the above as advertised and is very easy on the wallet
Heck , if it had large doses of what some have said it to be lame for lack of , it would be called a ..... CONCENTRATE
Two Formula 1 cars last year were using two different brands of oil each formulated with Antimony and surprisingly small amounts of it . One of the brands used in those two F1 cars is made in the USA , the other in Europe .
It says on the front of the bottle,
Reduce Friction
Improve Fuel Economy
Reduce Oil Consumption
Improve Film Strength
I don't think there is anything lame about this product and I do think it will do all of the above as advertised and is very easy on the wallet
Heck , if it had large doses of what some have said it to be lame for lack of , it would be called a ..... CONCENTRATE
Two Formula 1 cars last year were using two different brands of oil each formulated with Antimony and surprisingly small amounts of it . One of the brands used in those two F1 cars is made in the USA , the other in Europe .
I'm assuming the samples you tested were used oil analysis. If so, maybe the dino oxidized much more than Mobil 1, which in turn, combined with the #132 went off the chart.
This is just a theory of mine. Maybe Mola can provide another theory.
MolaKule
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RB,
132 has a different type of ester.
Calvin,
132 has a different type of ester.
Calvin,
Antimony is the element Sb, lead is the element Pb, and tin is the element Sn. If the analysis guy has any chemistry education at all, there is no way the antimony could be mistaken for lead.
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ferb, Lubro Moly is the company's name. They do not use moly in all their products. When they started out, moly was probably their "big thing" in their greases and lubes. In fact they still sell plenty lubes with moly, but moly not in their motor oil, which is not their main product anyway. They do however sell a popular moly oil treatment.
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I gotta correct myself there. The company's name is Liqui Moly. Lubro Moly is the name of their product(s).
Hey Mola,
I have some Havoline conventional 10w30 with a SUS VIS@210F of 63.6 (mid-30W). For a 5.5 qt sump, how much #132 would it take to raise the viscosity up to a low 40W? Almost a whole bottle? Thanks!
MolaKule
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No adverse effects other than viscosity increase with higher treatment rates.
if you want a moly oil thickener, check out valvoline maxlife engine protector. I know it's blasphemy to mention valvoline on this board
But, check out the voa molakule did. 479 ppm of moly; much props to molakule for the voa. the stuff is 4.94 at walmart. when I did the free maxlife rebate, I got two rebates worth $3 bucks each. so I picked up two bottles of maxlife engine protector for $1.94 with tax. not bad. I'm going to add 2oz/per quart of oil and do a used oil analysis later this year
I am using the #132 as a part of the Brew spoken of in 4 of my cars. (3 parts #132 to 1 part LC) so far, in 3 used oil analysis the stuff has worked to provide the lowest wear numbers I have seen so far, however, in all 3 cases it increase the Amsoil 10W30 to a high 30 and/or low 40W. No problem for me. I currently have one sample in for analysis comparing it on an annual OCI with very low mileage per year, around 2200 and hope that it has also helped with the lead wear in this twin turbo that sees little use. A few years of used oil analysis to compare to prior to the Brew being used.
Anyway, so far this stuff has worked in reducing wear for at least 3 of my engines. Forgot to mention, I use 8 ounces of the Brew at the oil change.
Anyway, so far this stuff has worked in reducing wear for at least 3 of my engines. Forgot to mention, I use 8 ounces of the Brew at the oil change.
MolaKule
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I recommend 1 to 2 ounces per quart.
For the LC/#132 brew, I made up a gallon and used 5-6 pints of #132 to 3-2 pints of LC.
For the LC/#132 brew, I made up a gallon and used 5-6 pints of #132 to 3-2 pints of LC.
Hate to unearth a old topic, but I think posting a new one is wastefull in server space....
2 days ago my Father and I uncovered some Moly EP that my Grandpa religiously belived in. I am unsure of how old it is, but I would estimate since my grandpa has been dead for 10 yrs now, it would be atleast 20 years old. The reason I say 20 is becuase we found the better part of 2 gallons of this stuff, and I know that he did not change his oil that often.
Any body know if this 20 yr old Moly Ep would be safe to use in some newer motors? Should I just pitch it and call it a day? Could I use it in a premix for a Johnson 120 Outboard?
Any suggestions would be appreciated!!
2 days ago my Father and I uncovered some Moly EP that my Grandpa religiously belived in. I am unsure of how old it is, but I would estimate since my grandpa has been dead for 10 yrs now, it would be atleast 20 years old. The reason I say 20 is becuase we found the better part of 2 gallons of this stuff, and I know that he did not change his oil that often.
Any body know if this 20 yr old Moly Ep would be safe to use in some newer motors? Should I just pitch it and call it a day? Could I use it in a premix for a Johnson 120 Outboard?
Any suggestions would be appreciated!!
I am unsure on how much has been opened, or exact quantities...there are several smaller conatiners maybe a bit bigger than a coke can. In addition, there is a large case that appears to hold 2 one gallon cans, and I'm sure that they've never been opened.
There are so many nostalgic full cans of oil, Gallon steel Castrol cans and the like.
Even STP paper and metal cap type cans, never been used!!
I thought about doing some VOA's on some of this stuff, but I'm pretty sure it would get expensive in a hurry. I also don't think there would be much value in doing a VOA other than a history lesson.
There are so many nostalgic full cans of oil, Gallon steel Castrol cans and the like.
Even STP paper and metal cap type cans, never been used!!
I thought about doing some VOA's on some of this stuff, but I'm pretty sure it would get expensive in a hurry. I also don't think there would be much value in doing a VOA other than a history lesson.
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