Say No To E15 !

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Found this on an outboard motor forum - but this legislation should concern car owners as well : www.FollowTheScience.org
E10 and the newly proposed E15 is not the answer !! I believe many automotive fuel systems are possibly being compromised by this junk already (i.e. moisture , corrosion , deposits ,etc. from ethanol) . Many outboard motor owners have already ruined their motors ...
 
I agree with you 100%, but if the EPA says do it, we have NO choice.

They should mandate all government employees (including congress) has to drink their water out of tin cups. That would cut down on petroleum waste. No more plastic forks and spoons for those picnics, no more plastic drinking bottles or pop bottles, just glass and aluminum cans. And the list goes on.

Do away with the other stuff, but leave our gasoline alone.
 
My understanding E15 will really pushing the limits for cars. If blenders overdose the E15 accidentally (like some do with our current E10) we will have E20+ in our gas tanks. This is like dancing in a minefield.
 
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They should mandate all government employees (including congress) has to drink their water out of tin cups. That would cut down on petroleum waste. No more plastic forks and spoons for those picnics, no more plastic drinking bottles or pop bottles, just glass and aluminum cans. And the list goes on.

Do away with the other stuff, but leave our gasoline alone.

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E10 gas-it works fine. We have had in MN for years. All the horror stories you hear-are just that-stories. I have never had an issue in any of my cars, lawn mowers, snowblowers etc. It isn't a problem in the land of 10,000 lakes. Thousands of boats, PWC, and snowmobils work just fine on E10.

Dave
 
If you call reduced power and increased consumption "working", then yes, it does work "fine"

I can cross the state border and get gasoline sans-ethanol in rural areas. My car is more responsive and gets better gas mileage.

The engine response may be a subjective thing but it's hard to call a consistant 3+ mpg increase any thing less than objective.

My car "prefers" gasoline with just gasoline in it.
 
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E10 gas-it works fine. We have had in MN for years. All the horror stories you hear-are just that-stories. I have never had an issue in any of my cars, lawn mowers, snowblowers etc. It isn't a problem in the land of 10,000 lakes. Thousands of boats, PWC, and snowmobils work just fine on E10.

Dave


You say that now. Wait till you get an ethanol overdosed batch of E15.
 
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E10 gas-it works fine. We have had in MN for years. All the horror stories you hear-are just that-stories.
Dave


If by "fine" you mean poor gas mileage, messy oil (in my car the oil gets dirty faster with E10), and higher engine wear (cyl wall and valve rinsing), then I agree.

Do the math on ethanol. It costs 30-50% more in fuel costs to drive on E10 (you must count indirect costs of production that make it into the selling price). For a family like mine, where I am the sole breadwinner and cannot afford to go out and buy a newer car built for biofuels, this fact REALLY bites.
 
I have personally used over 800 gallons if the hated E85 and uncounted hundreds of gallons of E10 in my vehicles. Mileage down slightly yes...horsepower down?...definitely not. One is flex fuel, one is not. Think dollars per mile, not miles per gallon. There is a cost savings.

No stumbles, no dissolved o-rings, no corrosion, no cold start issues, in fact burns clean all of the time. I prefer my petro dollars go to people that don't want to blow us up and it is renewable. I am not a tree hugger by any means and don't care for the small subsidy it receives, but it is a true alternative to Middle East oil/fuel that can be provided in quantity.

However that said, I am a boater and a pilot and do have a need for non-ethanol fuel at times. Rather than having it mandated, I would like to see "blender pumps with say E0, E15, E40, & E85. These are already approved by Ul and in use in a very few limited areas.
 
Originally Posted By: bmod305
E10 gas-it works fine. We have had in MN for years. All the horror stories you hear-are just that-stories. I have never had an issue in any of my cars, lawn mowers, snowblowers etc. It isn't a problem in the land of 10,000 lakes. Thousands of boats, PWC, and snowmobils work just fine on E10.

Dave


Maybe so, but I miss having a choice in the matter.
 
Not to get off topic , but because of E-10 in the gas (moisture , corrosion , deposits) I am running a program of 700:1 ratio of TC-W3 2 cycle oil in my car's gas tank with every fill up . Come winter time I may test adding TC-W3 at closer to 500:1 .
 
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I prefer my petro dollars go to people that don't want to blow us up

Pretty sure Canada has no interest in blowing us up.
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Originally Posted By: beechcraftted
...it is renewable. I am not a tree hugger by any means and don't care for the small subsidy it receives, but it is a true alternative to Middle East oil/fuel that can be provided in quantity.


Not really. An extensive, detailed (the most comprehensive to date, IIRC) study from UC-Berkeley showed that the production of each gallon of ethanol requires 1.1 (see the link below, this is actually more like 2) gallons of fossile fuel (this includes coal, oil, gas, and petro-products used to make fertilizer).

If you couple this with the lower mpg's that most folks encounter, it adds up to ~20% HIGHER (...oops I was wrong, its actually more like 50% higher...http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm) demand for global-sourced fossil fuels, not less.
 
I can live with E10, but nothing more. If we end up with E15, I'd strongly consider buying a tanker trailer of about 750 gallons, and buying 93 Octane E0 from Canada. From here (college), it would be under 3 hours round trip, and the Jeep would have no trouble dragging the 4500 pounds of fuel home. Of course, then I have to find a place to store the thing...

E85, however, has its place. This would be in high power turbo/supercharged engines, as it's much cheaper and somewhat more available than race gas. Plus, it's street legal.
 
B.S. On the 30-50% higher fuel costs. There may be slight decrease in mpg with E10 but not 30-50%. Higher cylinder wear-today's cars last much longer than ever. This is due to better oil and fuel systems i.e. FI. E10 has never been proven to cause increased engine wear. You don't need a new car to use E10 fuel. My 1980 Yamaha snowmobile, 1986 & 1993 Cavaliers don't run any different on E10 fuel vs non-E fuel.

I understand you want choice but we must support US products and companies in my opinion.

Dave
 
Originally Posted By: bmod305
B.S. On the 30-50% higher fuel costs.


Read the above link and ask yourself, "Who pays to grow all that corn?"
 
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