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Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Hey, justice happens sometimes!
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
That is a wonderful story about justice served.
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Could you explain me that part?

Basically, a man who asked for change was arrested and detained in prison for 145 days, just because he was a homeless, and two people lied to the justice, were recognized as such in court, but were not prosecuted for that because they have a job and a home.

And you call that justice served?
Since when rich people are allowed to lie and made poor arrested because they probably find it fun to do it, is considered justice. Since when lying to to the justoce system is not considered an offense as long as you are rich enough?

My conclusion would be more like: "Thank goodness, Ekpolk was there to avoid an innocent person was thrown in prison for 10 years just because he was homeless."

But, I am sorry, ALL countries' justice system are awful, not even close to be fair (as they should be), and the US one is not better than any other one anymore.
I once heard that whatever you do in the US, you just need to have at least 2 million dollars to spend in lawyers, and you will always get out of trouble, guilty or not. Meaning that even if you are innocent, you'd better have 2 millions dollars ready in case you need to prove it.

There is no Habeas Corpus anymore in the US? Used to be what make UK and the US better justice systems than other countries.
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Hey, justice happens sometimes!
cheers3.gif

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
That is a wonderful story about justice served.
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Could you explain me that part?

Basically, a man who asked for change was arrested and detained in prison for 145 days, just because he was a homeless, and two people lied to the justice, were recognized as such in court, but were not prosecuted for that because they have a job and a home.

And you call that justice served?
Since when rich people are allowed to lie and made poor arrested because they probably find it fun to do it, is considered justice. Since when lying to to the justoce system is not considered an offense as long as you are rich enough?

My conclusion would be more like: "Thank goodness, Ekpolk was there to avoid an innocent person was thrown in prison for 10 years just because he was homeless."

But, I am sorry, ALL countries' justice system are awful, not even close to be fair (as they should be), and the US one is not better than any other one anymore.
I once heard that whatever you do in the US, you just need to have at least 2 million dollars to spend in lawyers, and you will always get out of trouble, guilty or not. Meaning that even if you are innocent, you'd better have 2 millions dollars ready in case you need to prove it.

There is no Habeas Corpus anymore in the US? Used to be what make UK and the US better justice systems than other countries.


It's the water under the bridge problem. My guy spent the 145 days in jail, and then, about two months ago, a family member came to his rescue and bonded him out. Was that 145 days a gross injustice? Sure. Was there anything I could do about it? No. The judge had already denied a motion to reduce his bond.

The victory/justice here was that my guy did not end up serving 10+ years for a crime that he did not commit. You certainly could argue that the 145 days makes ANY outcome an injustice, but I'd respond that the actual result was a whole lot less unjust than it would have been for him to be convicted of the felony charges.
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Good job.

The pressure is really on when you have an innocent / seriously overcharged deft on your hands.

Why prosecutors flog some of the dogs they do never ceases to amaze (sometimes disgust) me.
 
It's been on the news that homeless folks are getting beat up lately usually by teenagers for fun. It's sad that our society has sunk this low. The defendant was beat up probably for even asking for change. I wouldn't have been surprised if those folks shot him for even approaching.
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca


.... and the US one is not better than any other one anymore.


Absolute baloney. Get charged with a crime in China and then get back to us.

Our system is far from perfect, but it's not bad.
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: Pesca


.... and the US one is not better than any other one anymore.


Absolute baloney. Get charged with a crime in China and then get back to us.

Our system is far from perfect, but it's not bad.

Excellent point.
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: Pesca


.... and the US one is not better than any other one anymore.


Absolute baloney. Get charged with a crime in China and then get back to us.

Our system is far from perfect, but it's not bad.


I am white, a canadian passport and I have money, so I am as protected over there than in the US.

Don't worry, as someone with a french passport (and even with canadian citizenship) during the Gulf war II, I know how painful it can be to pass the US boarder.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: Pesca

My conclusion would be more like: "Thank goodness, Ekpolk was there to avoid an innocent person was thrown in prison for 10 years just because he was homeless."


It's the water under the bridge problem. My guy spent the 145 days in jail, and then, about two months ago, a family member came to his rescue and bonded him out. Was that 145 days a gross injustice? Sure. Was there anything I could do about it? No. The judge had already denied a motion to reduce his bond.

The victory/justice here was that my guy did not end up serving 10+ years for a crime that he did not commit. You certainly could argue that the 145 days makes ANY outcome an injustice, but I'd respond that the actual result was a whole lot less unjust than it would have been for him to be convicted of the felony charges.
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Did you see that part? I did thank you for what you did for that poor guy.
I just don't see why I should be thankful about a so awful justice system. And once again, it is not just against the US justice system, they are all bad to my view.
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca
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Did you see that part? I did thank you for what you did for that poor guy.
I just don't see why I should be thankful about a so awful justice system. And once again, it is not just against the US justice system, they are all bad to my view.

I did, and I do see your point. But the point still remains -- in how many places does an innocent person, facing the full force of the state, actually have a chance to prevail. We've got a lot of problems, no question about it, but still, we have trials by jury, and just enough surviving due process that it still works -- for the most part.
 
Every place there is a guy like you
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When I am talking about all justice systems, I am talking of real ones, from modern democracies.
Of course, there are a lot of countries where you will be put in jail because you got a look at a rich man's wife, but as world leaders, we should show the example to follow, right?

How do you expect them to change if we are like them?
Like the doctors telling you smocking is bad, or a cop giving you a speeding ticket: do you listen to them when you see them smocking or speeding to the donut shop?
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca


When I am talking about all justice systems, I am talking of real ones, from modern democracies.


Pfffft.

Still absolute baloney.

Go tell Natalee Holloway's family all about how great that Napoleanic code system down in dutch Aruba was.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk


There's no feeling like standing between a righteous, but powerless man, and the misguided authority of the State. I will sleep well tonight, after giving thanks for having the power and skills necessary to stop the government dead in its tracks (when it deserves to be stopped).

Hey, justice happens sometimes!
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It wasn't this guy was it?
guy attacks couple with knife
 
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
oilboy123,

What were you charged with /arrested for ?
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In some area the homeless are unwanted pests like in Key West. The city is trying to get rid of them by arresting them for minor stuff, but it seems like more and more are headed to Margaritaville to enjoy the sunshine, sand, palm trees and occasional cold beer.
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Sent you a private message. I have laid this out couple of times for all to see here before. It is a touchy subject for some people.
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: Pesca


When I am talking about all justice systems, I am talking of real ones, from modern democracies.


Pfffft.

Still absolute baloney.

Go tell Natalee Holloway's family all about how great that Napoleanic code system down in dutch Aruba was.


I see we both agree: All justice systems suck!!
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
You would prefer justice in China, North Korea -- or perhaps Somalia????


Out of the 3 I would have to say China is slightly better.

One of my mom's friend served as a juror in China's criminal court. The case was about the son of the police chief wanting a piece of the garbage collection business that the local private business / gangster was in, the private business owners wouldn't give it up and there was a mob fight between the police chief's son's mobsters and the private business owners' mobsters.

Funny how only the private business owners' mobsters got arrested and charged. Mom's friend saw what's going on and voted not guilty, and the guys were set free.

Sure it is not perfect, but at least not all the power to corrupt is in one person's hand to me.
 
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