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DaveL: Typically it doesn't matter if the filter is totally plugged.

Here's a test that's easy to perform if you've got a real gauge. Just plug the inlet and outlet ports of the sandwich and start the engine. If you want to get fancy, put a gauge on the side of the filter that your sender isn't on (typically most senders are downstream of the filter).

If you really want to get fancy ....

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This is how I know that in most applications the Permacool provides a continuous 2PSID. That's not how I had it plumbed for this setup ..but they're the gauges that I used on my MEGA bypass filter.

It wasn't too pretty, but it worked fine. I'm not all that creative when there's a neandertha way to do something.
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The filter, btw, is a cotton wound 2" (at the time) 20" long filter. It's, IIRC, a 5um filter.
 
Does that IIRC filter have its own flow restrictor (small orifice) or jsut the flow resistance of the filter media? I think I could get comfortable with a 2 psid drop if the filter didn't already have its own flow restrictor, but the Baldwins do and the on-line Baldwin rep recomends installing them across the full system pressure drop, not just 2 psid. I would love to have some actual flow data at that pressure.
 
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If I Recall Correctly, their are several bypass filter reps that recommend a full zero pressure drop on their filtering configuration. I'm not one to say that it won't work as well with the return to the sandwich with a 2 pounds/square inch differential, because I don't have one set up like that. Amsoil sells a sandwich adapter that is entirely open, save the 4 cross members of the sandwich structure, that they use for oil for one of their applications. It provides complete flow down to the full flow filter, and at the same time, as oil is backed up there waiting for the engine to take it (via the full flow media) a certain portion is redirected to a bypass filter by one of the ports. From their bypass, that has a restrictor built in, it then is directed to the zero drop configuration. I've seen this on OilGuard, Franz Filters, and Gulf Coast filters as well. The key to any good retention in filtering is to slow down the flow to an acceptable rate. Meaning, you don't want 95PSI on that filter pushing through with the restrictor out. It would then work marginally at best. You also don't want 10 lbs going though the filter with that small restrictor, not because it won't filter, but it will be slow as molasses. Key is to move "x" volume of oil through a bypass filter in "y" amount of time given standards of oil pressures seen in most engines....my opinion.

At the winery we use a centrifugal pump to supply wine to a plate and frame filter housing. Because the pump is not positive displacement, but merely a spinning centrifugal impeller, we can "deadhead" and not create problems. We restrict the flow out of the pump with a butterfly valve and also one at the intake of the filter housing, to reduce the flow rate. We can see the flow rate by means of an in-line flow meter, something usually out of the realm of possibility in engine oil/fluids for consumers. We do not restrict the flow out of the filter and the only restriction is that which is in the line, and the head pressure in the tank itself. There has to be a negative differential pressure on one side of the filter pad or there will be no reason for wine to flow through. We also have pressure gages set up on the inlet and outlet sides of the filter housing (wine) By measuring the difference between these two gages we can determine, along with the lack of flow, that the filter pads are indeed blinded with material and either needs to be replace or back flushed to clear some of the debris.

Each of our filter pads is 248 inches square of filter media nearly 3/8" thick, and go down to either 5 microns nominal or .6 micron nominal. Take that times 20 (filter pads in a typical plate&frame filtering at our place) =4961 sq in of filter area. Imagine that for filtering oil!
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The nice thing about engine filtration, though, is it pretty constant for the majority of time. When you are driving down the road past 35 MPH or so, your oil pressure is about where it's going to be and doesn't vary too much up or down. But, remember, pressure doesn't translate to flow, only restriction translates to flow. Restrict it "somewhere" and you can achieve better filtration. With those B50 orifices, that only allow so much flow though there, it would appear to me to not restrict the outlet delivery point too much or you will be fighting with getting sufficient oil through there on a continuum.
 
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Originally posted by DaveL:
Does that IIRC filter have its own flow restrictor (small orifice) or jsut the flow resistance of the filter media? I think I could get comfortable with a 2 psid drop if the filter didn't already have its own flow restrictor, but the Baldwins do and the on-line Baldwin rep recomends installing them across the full system pressure drop, not just 2 psid. I would love to have some actual flow data at that pressure.

There's no restrictor in my mega filter. Actually, it's not all that mega in square inches. I think I figured it out to about 150^". It's depth was it's main feature.

You will get more flow through your filter in a zero pressure return setup. My only reservation is that they may flow too much. The Baldwin's may say .5gpm ..but @ what pressure and @ what visc
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Most filters are rated at a given PSID @ 10gpm flow with an ISO 150 fluid @ 100C (40 weight, IIRC). You obviously can't do that with a filter that they rate @ .5gpm
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Seeing as engines vary in psi from one to the next depending on all kinds of factors, it would be extremely hard to figure just what you're going to be bleeding off in flow from the main vein.
 
By the way, DaveL...
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I talked to Baldwin Filter Engineering just now and the orifice is only 0.065" in diameter and designed to not take more than about 10% of the oil from the stream. So he was saying that for a typical automotive engine flow would normally be around 3 gallons / minute so it would only pass around 0.3 gal /minute. So I stand corrected about the 1/2 gal/minute output. That is unless you are actually putting it on a vehicle that flows about 5 gallons/min through the pump.

He also said there was no need for any more restrictions as the restrictor will be adequate for that filter to keep the flow down. He recommended a return to the oil pan, valve cover or to the oil fill cap. If set up with a dual filter situation, like the permacool dual remote and you used both B50, then your total output would be .3 X 2 or between 1/2 to 0.6 gpm flow, even though it's more flow, the restrictor lies on the output end of each filter and no matter how many you put in series, each would only put out 10% of the rated flow.
 
Gary, that looks like a Pall filter housing.
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Restirctor size is all important, apparently in these applications, for the oil to slow down. Pressuer might be there good enough but with enough pressure it creates more flow.

Even putting in a hex head set screw with say a 1/16" or similar size hole drilled in it, BEFORE you attached the rest of the outlet hose barbs or fittings in your filter housing mount, would slow any filter down considerably. I think that the oil has to slow down by one of 2 means. 1> restrictor orifice in the less dens filters like the Baldwin B50, or the actualy filtering media itself like the Amsoil or the Oil Guard filters where they have so much depth to them for the oil to pass through that restriction naturally takes place.
 
Yes, it's a PALL filter housing. All 25" of it (20" DOE filters) I got it for salvage from my closing plant. I imagine that it cost a good bit with a PALL name on it. It was used to dry air. No need for a restrictor in my usage. It was plumbed with a sandwich with the poppet. It moved whatever 2PSID moved through it. Not much cold (although you could hear the lifters flatulating as the oil pushed the air out of the cotton media when I shut it down after a brief run to check for pressure) ..who knows how much when warm
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I have no idea what it would move plumbed to a zero pressure location. Probably in terms of gpm.
 
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