Run low oil volume, increase oil temperature?

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In my ongoing efforts to develop a strategy to reduce fuel dilution in my (wife's) GM HFV6 SIDI, during a Google search I saw a suggestion (on a site I cannot remember and cannot find again) that running a lower amount of engine oil than specified will increase the oil temperature (and as a possible theory goes, increase the ability of the engine to evaporate the excess fuel that is accumulating in the oil as a result of not operating the engine the amount of time necessary to normally evaporate the fuel). The writing I saw even went so far as to recommend a specified amount to run the oil low, IIRC, for less than 5 quart sump run 1/2 quart low and for 5 or more quarts run 1 quart low.

While not a proponent of intentionally running low on oil, I may not be adverse to the prospect of doing so to some degree (specifically during periods when typical operation is not optimal to evaporate the fuel) if it will provide some type of meaningful benefit on the fuel dilution issue.

My HFV6 has a stated capacity of 6 quarts. I do not think that running 1/2 quart low will be detrimental to the engine but wonder if it will provide any meaningful increase in oil temperature and therefore any increase in fuel evaporation during a typical 10 mile, 20 minute commute to work.

Without knowing the design parameters of these engines I am reluctant to consistently run a quart low on oil and even if I did the question would remain as to what benefit might accrue during such short term operation.

Of course if I do try this approach my extremely frequent used oil analysis to monitor the situation will continue but I would welcome comments from anyone with opinions as to the advisability/efficacy of such an approach?

(As previously suggested in the used oil analysis forum, I am investigating the use of an oil pan heater - got to find one that will fit - in hopes that pre-warmed oil will produce operating temperature oil quicker which will in turn produce fuel evaporation quicker.)
 
You can run as low as possible as long as the oil pump never loses suction. In hot weather it will increase the oil temperature; not sure if it'll do any meaningful good this time of year. As a different band-aid, consider a heavier viscosity engine oil. It'll take more gas to dilute it down to a dangerous level, then dump the oil and refill.

It sounds like the best thing to do is to sell this, avoid GM products until they get it right, and move on.

How much gas accumulates in the oil? Is the dilution a real problem? If so, and if you're still eligible, try for a Lemon Law buy back. Here's an Alabama Lemon Law blurb from a lawyer:
http://alabamalemonlaw.org/statutes.html
 
The following thread may answer some of your questions:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...688#Post2541688

Getting the oil up to temperature as fast as possible and high oil temp's will minimize fuel dilution but may not totally eliminate the issue in an engine that's prone to the problem.
If you are going to start experimenting I'd suggest installing an oil pressure and oil temp' gauge to monitor the effect of what you doing.
 
Originally Posted By: Ken2
... consider a heavier viscosity engine oil. ...


That probably is on the horizon. These engines in European applications spec a dexos2 oil, which Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40 is.

Originally Posted By: Ken2
... It sounds like the best thing to do is to sell this, avoid GM products until they get it right, and move on. ...


Will probably wait closer to the end of the 4 year bumper-to-bumper warranty to do that.

Originally Posted By: Ken2
... How much gas accumulates in the oil? Is the dilution a real problem?


Five days, 100 miles (10, 10-mile trips), greater than 5% dilution per Polaris.

All of the learned literature I have found to date state that anything over 4% compromises an oil's functionality. Longest UOA at 2,900 miles suggests no abnormalities other than fuel dilution and low viscosity. But it's the long term I am concerned with.

Originally Posted By: Ken2
... If so, and if you're still eligible, try for a Lemon Law buy back. ...


Still eligible (and I certainly contend the express warranty that the car is free of defects has been breached, resulting in a significant impairment of use - one of the statutory requirements) but the cost/benefit analysis of a certain full-blown legal action probably doesn't warrant it in the event of non-success.
 
My oil consumption problems started exactly when I did exactly the same thing in corolla influenced by reports of lower gas consumption with lower oil levels.

Coincidence? I don't think so.
 
Using less oil will not raise the oil temp. It will allow the oil to get up to temp slightly faster. But at the end of your 100mile drive 4 qts will be the same temp as 6 qts.

Using less oil will increase the contaminant levels.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Using less oil will not raise the oil temp. It will allow the oil to get up to temp slightly faster. But at the end of your 100mile drive 4 qts will be the same temp as 6 qts.

It's very much engine dependant (does it have an coolant/oil heat exchanger) and on how the vehicle is used that determines how high the oil temp's will go.
For example, driving very hard with lots of WOT will raise maximum oil temp's if the oil volume is reduced.
On the other hand driving very gently may not.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
I wouldn't automatically assume installing OP/OT gauges would void a vehicle warranty.


I would. Please advise us how to install one without drawing the ire of whoever warranties it. "Vehicle alteration."
 
5% seems like a lot of fuel. My Mazda DI engine runs ~ 1.2% dilution but, the important thing is that the wear metals show very good. My fuel dilution was ~ 2-3% during the first 7,000 mile breakin period. What are your wear metals showing and is the engine brokenin yet?
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
...It will allow the oil to get up to temp slightly faster. ...


Good, given my situation, but probably not good enough to be of significance I would guess.

Originally Posted By: Chris142
... Using less oil will increase the contaminant levels.


Not good.

Excellent observations.
 
I realize it's a pain to install gauges especially in a vehicle you don't plan on keeping for a long time and what a manufacturer may consider a "vehicle alteration" for warranty purposes.
But if you really want them there are ways around the issue including but not limited to having the dealer install them (best negotiated at the time of purchase).
 
Originally Posted By: Eddie
...What are your wear metals showing and is the engine brokenin yet?


Wear metals were not bad at 2,900 miles use and 5,240 miles on engine. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2476652#Post2476652
But, the oil life monitor will take the mileage out to ~6,000 miles with current vehicle usage and I am hesitant to let it go that long. Probably a bit to optimistic of a number at present.

Broken in? Probably not. Currently has 7,100 miles on odometer.
 
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Originally Posted By: doyall
Originally Posted By: Ken2
... consider a heavier viscosity engine oil. ...


That probably is on the horizon. These engines in European applications spec a dexos2 oil, which Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40 is.


FWIW I am currently using a FUCHS oil, which is spec'd as dexos2, in a GM 3.6L DI engine which is known for being a fuel diluter.

(GM calls for an energy conserving SM 5W30 oil in this application)
 
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Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
...(GM calls for an energy conserving SM 5W30 oil in this application)


Best I can make of it is the North American specs are geared toward fuel conservation and the European specs are geared toward longer oil life. But it does suggest that a 40 weight oil is not necessarily detrimental.
 
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doyall I wasn't criticizing your possible shift to an HDEO. In the 3 years I have had our GM (NAmerican) car, more often than not I have had an HDEO in the sump.
 
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Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
doyall I wasn't criticizing your possible shift to an HDEO. ...


Didn't take is as such. Just roundabout making an observation in support of the dexos2 proposition. All is good.
 
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