RP by the g. coming to WM

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Nayov
Huh....interesting. I wonder if the gallons are more pricey because 10W-40, 15w40 and 20W-50 are somehow formulated to be more robust than the others.

That's a very good question. My supplier only charges more for the 0w-40 and 5w-40 Euro ones. The 15w40 also upgraded to CJ-4 when the others jumped to SN.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: buster
Mobil 1's gear oils outperformed RP's by a good margin. Took 2nd place in Amsoil's White paper fwiw.

Royal Purple HPS is a nice racing oil.





Come on Buster - the White Papers? Seriously. So many claims made by Amsoil in the White Papers that were "questionable" it is not funny. I provided data when they came out here disputing their results. The White Papers were/are good for one thing and that is out house use.

HPS is not RP's racing oil line. Their racing oil line is XPR. The HPS line is basically their old API SL oil.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad

You seem to have a love affair with RP yourself. Shoot, you have it in your signature..in purple font!

My only real issue is the price. It's $$$ compared to its more popular competition. I've used/ am using M1 75w140 in my diffs.. Synthetic vs dino vs RP vs M1 vs ST. All should be 30,000 intervals so why pay more IMO. Minus something that specifies synthetic, or if I owned a rock buggy that saw Moab, Utah on a regular basis, I'd consider synthetic gear oil as being worth the additional cost.


I use it yes but at least my positive comments on it are based off actual use unlike so many people here who beat up on it without ever having used it. Also, I don't hide my pro RP bias. I disclose it and am upfront that I use it and like it whereas so many bash it and claim it is not a bias, based off what they read somewhere and without any personal use, when it clearly is.

Fine if you want to run conventional gear oil do so. Don't talk about RP when you do though as it is not accurate to compare the price of RP's fully synthetic gear oil to conventional gear oil. You can get RP MaxGear for the same price( in the ballpark )of other full synthetic gear oils of similar quality.

ST conventional gear oil vs RP MaxGear do not belong in the same conversation. Actually, many diff's that call for synthetic gear oil have shorter intervals than 30K. You can't make a general comment that any gear oil should be the same over 30K. Just not true even in normal driving use.

75W-140 RP is the same $11-$15 here for me as the 75W90 I listed the prices of above. M!/VVL/etc... are in the $11-$13 range for 75W-140.

In the end use what you want obviously. However, you seem to base your RP dislike on price, like so many others, and there is so much more to it than that. Also, as I have shown, it is not really more expensive if you look around. Can be had for about the same or even less. It is a very good product and it is leaps and bounds superior to ST.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

Come on Buster - the White Papers? Seriously. So many claims made by Amsoil in the White Papers that were "questionable" it is not funny. I provided data when they came out here disputing their results. The White Papers were/are good for one thing and that is out house use.



What data? The results were the results. You didn't like them because they didn't fit your world paradigm. The lab bought the oils and tested them. Your only valid point is that the results did not match RP's marketing hype. But to imply SWR and Amsoil just lied and made up numbers is pretty darn bold when you have zero proof. I know Kevin Dinwiddie and if you are calling him a liar then you are wrong and I have zero respect for you.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: dlundblad

You seem to have a love affair with RP yourself. Shoot, you have it in your signature..in purple font!

My only real issue is the price. It's $$$ compared to its more popular competition. I've used/ am using M1 75w140 in my diffs.. Synthetic vs dino vs RP vs M1 vs ST. All should be 30,000 intervals so why pay more IMO. Minus something that specifies synthetic, or if I owned a rock buggy that saw Moab, Utah on a regular basis, I'd consider synthetic gear oil as being worth the additional cost.


I use it yes but at least my positive comments on it are based off actual use unlike so many people here who beat up on it without ever having used it. Also, I don't hide my pro RP bias. I disclose it and am upfront that I use it and like it whereas so many bash it and claim it is not a bias, based off what they read somewhere and without any personal use, when it clearly is.

Fine if you want to run conventional gear oil do so. Don't talk about RP when you do though as it is not accurate to compare the price of RP's fully synthetic gear oil to conventional gear oil. You can get RP MaxGear for the same price( in the ballpark )of other full synthetic gear oils of similar quality.

ST conventional gear oil vs RP MaxGear do not belong in the same conversation. Actually, many diff's that call for synthetic gear oil have shorter intervals than 30K. You can't make a general comment that any gear oil should be the same over 30K. Just not true even in normal driving use.

75W-140 RP is the same $11-$15 here for me as the 75W90 I listed the prices of above. M!/VVL/etc... are in the $11-$13 range for 75W-140.

In the end use what you want obviously. However, you seem to base your RP dislike on price, like so many others, and there is so much more to it than that. Also, as I have shown, it is not really more expensive if you look around. Can be had for about the same or even less. It is a very good product and it is leaps and bounds superior to ST.



I already mentioned I was against the product only in relation to the cost.. which is based off of a fact. I also mentioned synthetic gear oil was worth it (even RP if it was cheaper/ easier to find) if the application called for synthetic oil. In my case, RP is harder to find and much more $$ than M1.

In my situation that doesnt require synthetic, which is what i based my claims off of, ST vs RP vs M1 vs Redline would have to be changed at 30,000 anyways so for my application they do belong in the same conversation.. so why pay the extra $?

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

Come on Buster - the White Papers? Seriously. So many claims made by Amsoil in the White Papers that were "questionable" it is not funny. I provided data when they came out here disputing their results. The White Papers were/are good for one thing and that is out house use.



What data? The results were the results. You didn't like them because they didn't fit your world paradigm. The lab bought the oils and tested them. Your only valid point is that the results did not match RP's marketing hype. But to imply SWR and Amsoil just lied and made up numbers is pretty darn bold when you have zero proof. I know Kevin Dinwiddie and if you are calling him a liar then you are wrong and I have zero respect for you.



Amsoil's results were very different than published data from RP( and other brands as well ). Based on what I have seen from the 2 companies over the years I will give RP the benefit of the doubt vs Amsoil claims when specifics are mentioned as in these "tests". Stupid marketing claims aside which anyone with 1/2 a brain ignores anyway.

I did not compare "marketing hype". I grabbed RP's published test result data for the same things Amsoil was publishing. If Amsoil claimed RP performed at such and such a level, in test such and such, I got that same info from RP's published data to compare( when available ). Apples to apples and nothing to do with marketing hype. What Amsoil published varied significantly vs what RP published about their gear oils. I can see maybe one or even two slight variances in a couple of the tests( no 2 batches of any fluid are every exactly the same )but it was a LOT. One test in particular was just completely out of whack. I find that highly suspect.

Pablo overall you are a good guy and I don't really have an issue with you. I see marketing for what it is and ignore it. The info I posted refuting the Toilet Papers was not marketing though. It was the published data from RP about the same tests Amsoil ran and they did not jive. As said it was a similar situation with the other brands.

May I ask why it is ok for you to believe everything Amsoil says without question but when I or someone else doubts them and instead believes the other mfg you get upset and lose respect for us? Since when is Amsoil the poster child for honesty?

In the end this is all moot anyway as it was years ago. I believe most people have figured out those results were suspect and give them the proper credit they deserve now.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: dlundblad

You seem to have a love affair with RP yourself. Shoot, you have it in your signature..in purple font!

My only real issue is the price. It's $$$ compared to its more popular competition. I've used/ am using M1 75w140 in my diffs.. Synthetic vs dino vs RP vs M1 vs ST. All should be 30,000 intervals so why pay more IMO. Minus something that specifies synthetic, or if I owned a rock buggy that saw Moab, Utah on a regular basis, I'd consider synthetic gear oil as being worth the additional cost.


I use it yes but at least my positive comments on it are based off actual use unlike so many people here who beat up on it without ever having used it. Also, I don't hide my pro RP bias. I disclose it and am upfront that I use it and like it whereas so many bash it and claim it is not a bias, based off what they read somewhere and without any personal use, when it clearly is.

Fine if you want to run conventional gear oil do so. Don't talk about RP when you do though as it is not accurate to compare the price of RP's fully synthetic gear oil to conventional gear oil. You can get RP MaxGear for the same price( in the ballpark )of other full synthetic gear oils of similar quality.

ST conventional gear oil vs RP MaxGear do not belong in the same conversation. Actually, many diff's that call for synthetic gear oil have shorter intervals than 30K. You can't make a general comment that any gear oil should be the same over 30K. Just not true even in normal driving use.

75W-140 RP is the same $11-$15 here for me as the 75W90 I listed the prices of above. M!/VVL/etc... are in the $11-$13 range for 75W-140.

In the end use what you want obviously. However, you seem to base your RP dislike on price, like so many others, and there is so much more to it than that. Also, as I have shown, it is not really more expensive if you look around. Can be had for about the same or even less. It is a very good product and it is leaps and bounds superior to ST.



I already mentioned I was against the product only in relation to the cost.. which is based off of a fact. I also mentioned synthetic gear oil was worth it (even RP if it was cheaper/ easier to find) if the application called for synthetic oil. In my case, RP is harder to find and much more $$ than M1.

In my situation that doesnt require synthetic, which is what i based my claims off of, ST vs RP vs M1 vs Redline would have to be changed at 30,000 anyways so for my application they do belong in the same conversation.. so why pay the extra $?


Ok it's all good. Some of the stuff you said though is not true such as RP being 2X's the cost. I showed it can be had for almost the same price as other synthetics. You could get it for just a couple bucks more than M1 even where you are. One store with it way over priced does not mean it is everywhere plus it can be ordered with free shipping as well. All I am saying.

Many people would rather use the best product they can. The small cost to upgrade from ST conventional to RP( or whatever brand )is not a factor to them. If it is to you fine but saying ST conventional over 30K is as good as RP( or Amsoil or Redline or M1 or etc... )synthetic over that same 30K to me just doesn't fly. Over the long haul the better product will keep the diff in better shape IMHO. It also has more room for error. There is good enough and there is better. I choose to run better.

NO hard feelings. Just a difference of opinion.

 

[buster]

The HPS can be considered a racing oil being it has a higher level of AW additives. Racing oils vary.

The Amsoil white paper wasn't THAT bad. RP uses the Timken test, which I find to be very misleading.

I'm not sure what makes regular API SN Royal Purple even worth considering? It doesn't have their Synerlec, and seems to use the less common, lower cost detergent system.

 

[Pops1050]

NHHEMI, Hey didn't mean to get on anyones toes and to be fair that could be an extreme pricing example. However I like most look for value when purchasing anything. I'm pecking this out not far from several drums of RP we use in the plant I operate so I'm certain RP is a quality lubricating oil. In this application M1 was a better value in my opinion... that's all.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: dlundblad

You seem to have a love affair with RP yourself. Shoot, you have it in your signature..in purple font!

My only real issue is the price. It's $$$ compared to its more popular competition. I've used/ am using M1 75w140 in my diffs.. Synthetic vs dino vs RP vs M1 vs ST. All should be 30,000 intervals so why pay more IMO. Minus something that specifies synthetic, or if I owned a rock buggy that saw Moab, Utah on a regular basis, I'd consider synthetic gear oil as being worth the additional cost.


I use it yes but at least my positive comments on it are based off actual use unlike so many people here who beat up on it without ever having used it. Also, I don't hide my pro RP bias. I disclose it and am upfront that I use it and like it whereas so many bash it and claim it is not a bias, based off what they read somewhere and without any personal use, when it clearly is.

Fine if you want to run conventional gear oil do so. Don't talk about RP when you do though as it is not accurate to compare the price of RP's fully synthetic gear oil to conventional gear oil. You can get RP MaxGear for the same price( in the ballpark )of other full synthetic gear oils of similar quality.

ST conventional gear oil vs RP MaxGear do not belong in the same conversation. Actually, many diff's that call for synthetic gear oil have shorter intervals than 30K. You can't make a general comment that any gear oil should be the same over 30K. Just not true even in normal driving use.

75W-140 RP is the same $11-$15 here for me as the 75W90 I listed the prices of above. M!/VVL/etc... are in the $11-$13 range for 75W-140.

In the end use what you want obviously. However, you seem to base your RP dislike on price, like so many others, and there is so much more to it than that. Also, as I have shown, it is not really more expensive if you look around. Can be had for about the same or even less. It is a very good product and it is leaps and bounds superior to ST.



I already mentioned I was against the product only in relation to the cost.. which is based off of a fact. I also mentioned synthetic gear oil was worth it (even RP if it was cheaper/ easier to find) if the application called for synthetic oil. In my case, RP is harder to find and much more $$ than M1.

In my situation that doesnt require synthetic, which is what i based my claims off of, ST vs RP vs M1 vs Redline would have to be changed at 30,000 anyways so for my application they do belong in the same conversation.. so why pay the extra $?


Ok it's all good. Some of the stuff you said though is not true such as RP being 2X's the cost. I showed it can be had for almost the same price as other synthetics. You could get it for just a couple bucks more than M1 even where you are. One store with it way over priced does not mean it is everywhere plus it can be ordered with free shipping as well. All I am saying.

Many people would rather use the best product they can. The small cost to upgrade from ST conventional to RP( or whatever brand )is not a factor to them. If it is to you fine but saying ST conventional over 30K is as good as RP( or Amsoil or Redline or M1 or etc... )synthetic over that same 30K to me just doesn't fly. Over the long haul the better product will keep the diff in better shape IMHO. It also has more room for error. There is good enough and there is better. I choose to run better.

NO hard feelings. Just a difference of opinion.

No worries at all about difference in opinion.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

I did not compare "marketing hype". I grabbed RP's published test result data for the same things Amsoil was publishing. If Amsoil claimed RP performed at such and such a level, in test such and such, I got that same info from RP's published data to compare( when available ). Apples to apples and nothing to do with marketing hype. What Amsoil published varied significantly vs what RP published about their gear oils. I can see maybe one or even two slight variances in a couple of the tests( no 2 batches of any fluid are every exactly the same )but it was a LOT. One test in particular was just completely out of whack. I find that highly suspect.

Pablo overall you are a good guy and I don't really have an issue with you. I see marketing for what it is and ignore it. The info I posted refuting the Toilet Papers was not marketing though. It was the published data from RP about the same tests Amsoil ran and they did not jive. As said it was a similar situation with the other brands.

May I ask why it is ok for you to believe everything Amsoil says without question but when I or someone else doubts them and instead believes the other mfg you get upset and lose respect for us? Since when is Amsoil the poster child for honesty?

In the end this is all moot anyway as it was years ago. I believe most people have figured out those results were suspect and give them the proper credit they deserve now.


The fact that you use the words "Toilet Papers" makes it hard for me to take you seriously. The lab tested the gear oil they purchased - I believe they didn't just pull numbers out of their rear vents. You say they did. Seems really odd to me. Frankly I trust most of what Amsoil says about their products, and disliked some of the stuff in past they said about molybdenum. But also I distrust some of the batch to batch quality of certain manufacturers. And I certainly don't trust some of the things RP says. Everyone pokes fun of MPG claims, self included. RP got popped for such claims - yet you trust RP and constantly poke at Amsoil. Makes no sense.

That gear oil test was in 2007 or something. Agree, moot. Formulas have changed since.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: buster
The HPS can be considered a racing oil being it has a higher level of AW additives. Racing oils vary.

The Amsoil white paper wasn't THAT bad. RP uses the Timken test, which I find to be very misleading.

I'm not sure what makes regular API SN Royal Purple even worth considering? It doesn't have their Synerlec, and seems to use the less common, lower cost detergent system.



HPS is basically API SL. That is not racing oil. But whatever.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

I did not compare "marketing hype". I grabbed RP's published test result data for the same things Amsoil was publishing. If Amsoil claimed RP performed at such and such a level, in test such and such, I got that same info from RP's published data to compare( when available ). Apples to apples and nothing to do with marketing hype. What Amsoil published varied significantly vs what RP published about their gear oils. I can see maybe one or even two slight variances in a couple of the tests( no 2 batches of any fluid are every exactly the same )but it was a LOT. One test in particular was just completely out of whack. I find that highly suspect.

Pablo overall you are a good guy and I don't really have an issue with you. I see marketing for what it is and ignore it. The info I posted refuting the Toilet Papers was not marketing though. It was the published data from RP about the same tests Amsoil ran and they did not jive. As said it was a similar situation with the other brands.

May I ask why it is ok for you to believe everything Amsoil says without question but when I or someone else doubts them and instead believes the other mfg you get upset and lose respect for us? Since when is Amsoil the poster child for honesty?

In the end this is all moot anyway as it was years ago. I believe most people have figured out those results were suspect and give them the proper credit they deserve now.


The fact that you use the words "Toilet Papers" makes it hard for me to take you seriously. The lab tested the gear oil they purchased - I believe they didn't just pull numbers out of their rear vents. You say they did. Seems really odd to me. Frankly I trust most of what Amsoil says about their products, and disliked some of the stuff in past they said about molybdenum. But also I distrust some of the batch to batch quality of certain manufacturers. And I certainly don't trust some of the things RP says. Everyone pokes fun of MPG claims, self included. RP got popped for such claims - yet you trust RP and constantly poke at Amsoil. Makes no sense.

That gear oil test was in 2007 or something. Agree, moot. Formulas have changed since.


Whatever you say.

To be honest I get really sick of always having to go round and round with you about Amsoil's ethics whenever I post my personal opinion on the subject. I know when I do that soon enough you will jump in and go at me for it. For the longest time I stopped because I didn't want to do THIS with you but I have decided I have the right to post my thoughts even if you don't like them. I have NEVER trashed Amsoil's products and even recommend them when I feel appropriate. I don't like how the company conducts itself. THAT is my issue with them and I make that clear. Why you can't allow me my opinion, if you are truly unbiased as you claim, is a mystery.

RP has never lied or mislead me personally and has always been very honest when I have asked questions( to the point of literally saying - no don't use our product there ). Sure they have stretched things a bit in marketing claims about HP and MPG but is that really such a big deal? Seriously, it is a big deal? Doesn't every oil mfg make marketing claims we shake our head at and just ignore?

Is that really on the same level as making false claims of API certification, using a look-a-like API starburst to fool people, or false claims about competitors formulas? To me it is not. When I have contacted Amsoil tech in the past with a question I ended up more confused then when I 1st asked. I have never received a straight forward, honest, and simple answer EVER. I always have felt like they were trying to manipulate me and twist things to sell the product vs being honest and just answering the question even if it meant the product was not right for me.

I also have huge issues with Amsoil's stance on warranty. The stuff they tell people makes me cringe. RP has never told me to use one of their products that would work in my application but doesn't meet warranty. They will come right out and say don't use it until warranty is up. I have had Amsoil tell me to use a product that doesn't meet warranty and that my warranty is still good which I knew was [censored].

We don't see eye to eye at all on Amsoil and that is ok believe it or not. Just as it is ok if you don't like RP This constant back and forth though is getting old. IF you have more to add do it via PM. Enough of this in thread bickering.

 

[Tuffy1760]

I like RP... works good... gallon jug perfect for my aveo... I sometimes buy RP when I am drunk... use my 20% discount at AAP... rumor has it at the beginning of this thread of gallon jugs at wal mart...
The RP sticker on my aveo makes it a hot rod!!

 

[wemay]

Not at WM, but at the local AZ:

5qt jug of 5w30...

M1 - $36
PP -$34
VSP - $34
RP - $33
QSUD - $32