Royal Purple now dexos1 certified, no Amsoil???!!

[stchman]

I see that Royal Purple is now dexos1 certified.

http://www.centerforqa.com/gm/dexos1-brands

Heck, Advance Auto, AutoZone, Napa, CarQuest, and even Supertech(Walmart) oils are now dexos certified, why not Amsoil? It can't cost THAT much!!

 

[wemay]

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[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: stchman
.... oils are now dexos certified, why not Amsoil? It can't cost THAT much!!


Amsoil is like the last holdout at the Alamo, or the last crewmember on a hapless starship to get assimilated by the Borg.... Amsoil knows Resistance is Futile.... Amsoil doesn't want to be Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys, no... Pay GM.... Pay them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stchman]

I wonder what the cost is or is just having GM test the oil to make sure?

When I bought my 2013 Silverado back in November of 2012, there were but a small handful of dexos1 certified oils, now it looks like almost everyone is on board.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: stchman
I wonder what the cost is or is just having GM test the oil to make sure?

When I bought my 2013 Silverado back in November of 2012, there were but a small handful of dexos1 certified oils, now it looks like almost everyone is on board.


dexos is a royalty revenue generating cash machine for GM, thats all. You pay GM basically for the volume of oil you sell amounting to a few cents per quart. GM doesn't run any tests, they make you pay for your own SN-GF-5 plus some ACEA (euro) tests in a certified lab somewhere, then examine your documents, collect a thousand bucks secretarial fee, and you're in the club.

 

[BobsArmory]

Is this a troll post???

 

[Bigdaddyeasy]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: stchman
.... oils are now dexos certified, why not Amsoil? It can't cost THAT much!!


Amsoil is like the last holdout at the Alamo, or the last crewmember on a hapless starship to get assimilated by the Borg.... Amsoil knows Resistance is Futile.... Amsoil doesn't want to be Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys, no... Pay GM.... Pay them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol, well said

 

[OneEyeJack]

If the football belongs to someone else, you play by their rules.

 

[Justin251]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: stchman
I wonder what the cost is or is just having GM test the oil to make sure?

When I bought my 2013 Silverado back in November of 2012, there were but a small handful of dexos1 certified oils, now it looks like almost everyone is on board.


dexos is a royalty revenue generating cash machine for GM, thats all. You pay GM basically for the volume of oil you sell amounting to a few cents per quart. GM doesn't run any tests, they make you pay for your own SN-GF-5 plus some ACEA (euro) tests in a certified lab somewhere, then examine your documents, collect a thousand bucks secretarial fee, and you're in the club.


This is what I was gonna say.

No way some of the top tier oils pass stuff like mb229.5 or aces a4/5 but not dexos.

 

[zpinch]

If the general population were more educated on engine oils, we wouldn't have Dexos [censored].

 

[tinmanSC]

Originally Posted By: stchman
I wonder what the cost is or is just having GM test the oil to make sure?


Probably a couple hundred thousand. But that's just a guess. It's several engines worth of testing and tons of time in the lab. Chump change to most engine oil companies. My guess is that the licensing fee is probably partial penny per quart, but that's a lot of quarts, and a lot of pennies.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: Justin251
No way some of the top tier oils pass stuff like mb229.5 or aces a4/5 but not dexos.

True for performance like wear and deposits. Yet dexos imposes rule on allowable viscosities, only 0w-20, 5w-20, 0w-30, & 5w-30 can be dexos. dexos puts more emphasis on fuel economy, allowing lower HTHS and enforces GF-5 tests, where a Euro spec like Porsche A40 (toughest, arguably) is better on deposits, sludge than dexos, but, surprisingly, Lubrizol thinks A40 is about the same on wear as dexos1. See:

 

[ExMachina]

Frankly, I think the diff between dexos1 and the LL01-229.5-A40 euro oils (illustrated in the Lubrizol spider chart above) is why dexos1 is good enough for street engines, yet you go to the euro oils for racing. Can any engine benefit from the extra stoutness in a euro-spec oil? In most cases, yes, but you lose fuel economy.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: zpinch
If the general population were more educated on engine oils, we wouldn't have Dexos [censored].

I say hold out and put your money into research and quality components.

BTW, Royal Purple is no longer a small, independent company. It is now part of a much larger company called, Calumet.

 

[TiredTrucker]

Schaeffer hasn't jumped on the dexos bandwagon either. I figure that isn't a bad move for the oldest lubricants company in N. America. I also figure they don't need to prove anything to GM.

 

[RLL]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: zpinch
If the general population were more educated on engine oils, we wouldn't have Dexos [censored].

I say hold out and put your money into research and quality components.

BTW, Royal Purple is no longer a small, independent company. It is now part of a much larger company called, Calumet.

If you can meet your sales goals then why waste the money.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: stchman
I see that Royal Purple is now dexos1 certified.

http://www.centerforqa.com/gm/dexos1-brands

Heck, Advance Auto, AutoZone, Napa, CarQuest, and even Supertech(Walmart) oils are now dexos certified, why not Amsoil? It can't cost THAT much!!


It has been now for a long time. Old news.

 

[salesrep]

Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Schaeffer hasn't jumped on the dexos bandwagon either. I figure that isn't a bad move for the oldest lubricants company in N. America. I also figure they don't need to prove anything to GM.

Schaeffer Oil

9003D SUPREME 9000 SAE 5W-30
FULL SYNTHETIC ENGINE OIL
API SN, RESOURCE CONSERVING, ILSAC GF-5 GM dexos-1™ Compliant

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: salesrep
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Schaeffer hasn't jumped on the dexos bandwagon either. I figure that isn't a bad move for the oldest lubricants company in N. America. I also figure they don't need to prove anything to GM.

Schaeffer Oil

9003D SUPREME 9000 SAE 5W-30
FULL SYNTHETIC ENGINE OIL
API SN, RESOURCE CONSERVING, ILSAC GF-5 GM dexos-1™ Compliant


I can claim my kitchen canola oil is 'GM dexos-1™ Compliant' too, but unless its on the list at http://www.centerforqa.com/gm/dexos1-brands , then nope. Does Schaeffer have any test results to share with us that proves dexos1 compliance? GM says those tests don't exist and or Schaeffer refuses to pay royalty fees to GM.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: salesrep
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Schaeffer hasn't jumped on the dexos bandwagon either. I figure that isn't a bad move for the oldest lubricants company in N. America. I also figure they don't need to prove anything to GM.

Schaeffer Oil

9003D SUPREME 9000 SAE 5W-30
FULL SYNTHETIC ENGINE OIL
API SN, RESOURCE CONSERVING, ILSAC GF-5 GM dexos-1™ Compliant


I can claim my kitchen canola oil is 'GM dexos-1™ Compliant' too, but unless its on the list at http://www.centerforqa.com/gm/dexos1-brands , then nope. Does Schaeffer have any test results to share with us that proves dexos1 compliance? GM says those tests don't exist and or Schaeffer refuses to pay royalty fees to GM.


Yup, compliant doesn't mean approved.