No wonder our food supply is a major contributor to serious illness. The wheat harvest is underway. Last friday, a large wheat field near me was green. Yesterday it was completely brown. Tire tracks were present in the fields. A farmer once confirmed they spray the wheat with roundup in mid June to speed up the begining of harvest so they can get a planting of soybeans in that field after the wheat is harvested. Think about that the next time you eat something containing wheat.
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I am more selective about breads than I used to be. We also have two artisan bakeries in this town that use organic products. You can figure out where I try to buy my breads. As a diabetic I don't eat that many carbs anyway.
Thats new information to me. Thank you for posting that.
They’ll probably spray the soybeans with roundup as well. Most of if is “roundup ready” these days. You can spray right over the top of it, and only the competing weeds will be killed. The soybeans will keep right on growing.
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I believe the hysteria around glyphosate (the main ingredient which is of concern) is grossly misplaced.
The topic is well discussed in this article. https://quillette.substack.com/p/a-costly-misconception
(note - you may have to sign up for the full article, so I'll summarize below)
I HIGHLY encourage all to read the full article.
Here are the main points:
- only 1 entity (IARC) has declared glyphosate a "probable human carcinogen"; the declaration does not assess risk, only potential hazard. The category of PHC was only created as a means to identify elements/compounds which would require further study; it's not intended as an end-all-be-all statement of final resolution
- this document within the article addresses the regulatory agencies which consider glyphosate safe when used as directed, and the chemical presents little to no danger to humans; the assessments come from the US EPA, Health Canada, European Chemicals Agency, European Food Safety Authority, Food Safety Commission of Japan, World Health Organization, and others ...
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...phosate_Infographic_GLP.pdf?ref=quillette.com
- the IARC "study" was modified from its original statement of intent prior to publication; bolstering the otherwise initial findings of weak correlation in rodent testing; there was major disagreement among the study scientists - many felt the final version of the statement over-extended and there was a call for retraction which went unheeded
- glyphosate has less acute toxicity than ... salt, vinegar, acetaminophen, and caffeine (caffeine has 40x more acute toxicity ... think about that as you drink your morning coffee and worry about Roundup ...)
- the method in which glyphosate works is systemic; it inhibits the shikimate pathway of growth in vegetation (a pathway which does not exist in animals)
- the chemical is rapidly eliminated from the human body (we process it out quickly and it does not accumulate in humans)
Perhaps one of the most illustrative pieces of evidence against the claims of concern is the topic of volumetric use and incidence of cancer; specially, non-Hodgkins lymphoma (the claimed effect in these lawsuits). In a detailed study, the use of glyphosate was reviewed from 1992 to 2012 (20 years). During that time, agricultural and residential use of the chemical went up 28 fold. Yet during that same period of time, the incidence of non-Hodgkins lymphoma increased by ... nothing. The diagnosis rate of the disease stayed flat. When you use 28x more of something, but the considered result does not go up proportionally (or at all), then it's HIGHLY LIKELY the input has no effect on the output. Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the world by a large margin, and its use continues to increase every year. And yet cancers specifically "linked" to the chemical did not change over two decades. I'll drag out my favorite phrase from my days as a statistical process quality engineer ...
WITHOUT CORRELATION, THERE CAN BE NO CAUSATION.
My opinion ... it's a nothing burger. YMMV.
The topic is well discussed in this article. https://quillette.substack.com/p/a-costly-misconception
(note - you may have to sign up for the full article, so I'll summarize below)
I HIGHLY encourage all to read the full article.
Here are the main points:
- only 1 entity (IARC) has declared glyphosate a "probable human carcinogen"; the declaration does not assess risk, only potential hazard. The category of PHC was only created as a means to identify elements/compounds which would require further study; it's not intended as an end-all-be-all statement of final resolution
- this document within the article addresses the regulatory agencies which consider glyphosate safe when used as directed, and the chemical presents little to no danger to humans; the assessments come from the US EPA, Health Canada, European Chemicals Agency, European Food Safety Authority, Food Safety Commission of Japan, World Health Organization, and others ...
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...phosate_Infographic_GLP.pdf?ref=quillette.com
- the IARC "study" was modified from its original statement of intent prior to publication; bolstering the otherwise initial findings of weak correlation in rodent testing; there was major disagreement among the study scientists - many felt the final version of the statement over-extended and there was a call for retraction which went unheeded
- glyphosate has less acute toxicity than ... salt, vinegar, acetaminophen, and caffeine (caffeine has 40x more acute toxicity ... think about that as you drink your morning coffee and worry about Roundup ...)
- the method in which glyphosate works is systemic; it inhibits the shikimate pathway of growth in vegetation (a pathway which does not exist in animals)
- the chemical is rapidly eliminated from the human body (we process it out quickly and it does not accumulate in humans)
Perhaps one of the most illustrative pieces of evidence against the claims of concern is the topic of volumetric use and incidence of cancer; specially, non-Hodgkins lymphoma (the claimed effect in these lawsuits). In a detailed study, the use of glyphosate was reviewed from 1992 to 2012 (20 years). During that time, agricultural and residential use of the chemical went up 28 fold. Yet during that same period of time, the incidence of non-Hodgkins lymphoma increased by ... nothing. The diagnosis rate of the disease stayed flat. When you use 28x more of something, but the considered result does not go up proportionally (or at all), then it's HIGHLY LIKELY the input has no effect on the output. Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the world by a large margin, and its use continues to increase every year. And yet cancers specifically "linked" to the chemical did not change over two decades. I'll drag out my favorite phrase from my days as a statistical process quality engineer ...
WITHOUT CORRELATION, THERE CAN BE NO CAUSATION.
My opinion ... it's a nothing burger. YMMV.
What did the NTSB come up with with regard to the Army helicopter colliding with the passenger jet over the Potomac in January 2025? Some suggested the woman at the controls of the helicopter was at fault but I've never heard it verified?
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Times 10!! The amount of folic acid we have in our food supply is incomprehensible, along with other not so good for the body adulterations. No talk about fluoride in our water or the estrogens in our water. Small doses over a lifetime have a cumulative effect on our systems, and it isn't a positive one.
Just to add: In my past life, if it is one I am thinking of, these pilots are specially vetted to be top notch aviators for that unit. that makes this whole situation even more mystifying.
It's a knock at the VA not approving issues like tinnitus, scoliosis, cancer, etc from serving (burn pits, lead pipes/paint, etc.)
IIRC that is one of the tougher nighttime VFR areas in the US-LOTS of civilian & military traffic in the same corridor with a lot of light pollution-it would be too easy to not see someone & have a collision.
They spray potato fields the same way here to desiccate the plants and harvest the potatoes a bit quicker.
I detest overuse of glyphosate and it has nothing to do with cancer. This whole cancer thing is a bit of red herring, IMHO. That said - I have joined the movement to ban the use for direct desiccation and harvest. This herbicide should not be in such close proximity with our food chain. Weed killing early, fine. But that is NOT what we are talking about here!
Glyphosate exposure can absolutely disrupt gut bacteria, leading to a condition known as gut dysbiosis and other issues ranging from mental issues to internal essential nutrient production. This disruption affects overall health by altering the composition of the gut microbiome, which plays a crucial role in digestion and immune function.
@dnewton3 I suggest you study the matter a bit deeper.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10330715/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1382668923000911
Urinate on this study all you want. My family, even our pets are not directly eating weed killer.
I detest overuse of glyphosate and it has nothing to do with cancer. This whole cancer thing is a bit of red herring, IMHO. That said - I have joined the movement to ban the use for direct desiccation and harvest. This herbicide should not be in such close proximity with our food chain. Weed killing early, fine. But that is NOT what we are talking about here!
Glyphosate exposure can absolutely disrupt gut bacteria, leading to a condition known as gut dysbiosis and other issues ranging from mental issues to internal essential nutrient production. This disruption affects overall health by altering the composition of the gut microbiome, which plays a crucial role in digestion and immune function.
@dnewton3 I suggest you study the matter a bit deeper.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10330715/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1382668923000911
Urinate on this study all you want. My family, even our pets are not directly eating weed killer.
Without a doubt, do not drink Roundup. I just applied some to my gravel driveway.
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