Rotella and MoS2, a perfect combination???

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Astro14 we have a real problem here with people who like to hijack posts. The post here was about Rotella and MoS2, but Skyship arrived with his anti-oil supplement message that for whatever reason drives him.

I have no idea who or what Skyship is. He seems to have this need to try to convince everybody who uses oil supplements and engine cleaners to just use motor oil.

In some ways (a very few ways) I am not greatly different than Skyship. I don't believe in most oil supplements and engine cleaners. However I think there are a few oil supplements and engine cleaners that are useful. And I think that there is a need for safe and effective engine cleaners. After all, an engine can get dirty.

But I can't understand why somebody who is so against oil supplements would keep hijacking posts in the Oil Additives Section. Perhaps we need to have some sort of rule here that people are not allowed to hijack posts.

I started a post here about the cleaning ability of Pennzoil Platinum motor oil. And soon the hijackers came trying to deter the topic and talk about Auto-RX.

It kind of makes me think about another website where people were always trying to discuss something else. At the Windows Supersite website where Windows is discussed people were always trying to convince others to use Linux or Macs. And I wondered why these people felt such a desperate need to try to convince Windows computer users to use some other operating system-so much so that they would 'troll' a Windows website.

We have people here who 'troll' also. If a discussion is about Marvel Mystery Oil, they will try to divert the post to a discussion about Auto-RX or something else.

We have posters like Skyship who seems to have some desperate need to convince everybody here not to use oil supplements.

It seems to me that everything would run better here if people who reply to a post stick to the subject of the post. Although in some ways useful information does come out when there is this arguing back and forth. I actually do think some useful information came out in these arguments going back and forth with Skyship. But on the other hand, the post was diverted from what the subject was.
 
This extract from the Amsoil web site is worth reading as the engine failure was caused by snake oil use:

A recent AMSOIL Technical Services investigation on a Cummins OTR ISX-485 engine failure revealed a high amount of chlorine in the engine oil. The Cummins parts analysis determined the engine failure was the result of a corrosive attack to the cam follower pins, causing valve and injector camshaft lobe failures (see Figures 1-2). Five injector lobes and four valve lobes were significantly spalled, meaning the metal flaked off the surface of the lobes. Analysis of the injector pin and valve pin showed corrosive attack in both the wear and non-wear areas of the pins, while severe galling was observed on the cams and cam follower pins. Galling is the transference of material when moving parts are no longer fully separated and protected. Furthermore, surface analysis showed peaks of chlorine in the actual metal surface, which is not normally present on a cam follower pin under normal operating conditions (see Figure 3).
The chemical data on the lubricant and surface analysis of the failed engine parts revealed the root cause of the failure was corrosive wear. Acidic components in lubricants directly lead to corrosive wear. In this case, an abnormal amount of chlorine was found in the engine oil. Chlorine, when combined with hydrogen and water in the engine, can create hydrochloric acid. This, in turn, can cause severe TBN depletion, which was the case with this Cummins engine. It was determined that a chlorine-containing additive was used when an oil sample from the engine tested
at 11,000 ppm of chlorine. The result was an extreme corrosive environment which was responsible for the upper end engine failure within 195,000 original miles.

RECOMMENDATION:
Aftermarket oil additives are not recommended for use with AMSOIL synthetic motor oils. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils are fully formulated to provide superior protection and performance; use of aftermarket additives will detract from their performance and possibly lead to engine failure. Use of aftermarket oil additives not approved by AMSOIL
INC. will void the AMSOIL Limited Warranty.


PS. I don't know the exact type of oil additive involved, but I seem to remember it was an early type of non soluble Moly involved. The problem was not caused by the Moly itself but the other ingredients in the snake oil that were used to keep the Moly in suspension.
 
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
I did. On the 1st page...but was shouted down as being "anti additive"...which I am not...I am just practical.

This whole thread has devolved into ad hominem arguments and member-bashing. I think it's pointless now.


Thanks for trying anyway...I don't see what you're referring to, but you were always welcome different perspectives was the whole reason for the post and discussion. Only one wasn't welcome and it wasn't you.

I will probably eventually try the Rotella/MoS2 anyway but I'm now wondering if anyone makes a decent boron additive instead.
 
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I did. On the 1st page...but was shouted down as being "anti additive"...which I am not...I am just practical.

This whole thread has devolved into ad hominem arguments and member-bashing. I think it's pointless now.


Thanks for trying anyway...I don't see what you're referring to, but you were always welcome different perspectives was the whole reason for the post and discussion. Only one wasn't welcome and it wasn't you.

I will probably eventually try the Rotella/MoS2 anyway but I'm now wondering if anyone makes a decent boron additive instead.


Liqui-moly mos2 has boron in it.
 
When I was young, I spent most of my money on oil additives, beer and women.

The rest was just wasted...
 
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Originally Posted By: Clevy

Liqui-moly mos2 has boron in it.


You mean Lubro-Moly don't you?
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Yes it has Boron, good stuff!
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Clevy

Liqui-moly mos2 has boron in it.


You mean Lubro-Moly don't you?
smile.gif
Yes it has Boron, good stuff!


Nope. The can says liqui-moly here. Same stuff though,its just labelled different in America.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I did. On the 1st page...but was shouted down as being "anti additive"...which I am not...I am just practical.

This whole thread has devolved into ad hominem arguments and member-bashing. I think it's pointless now.


Thanks for trying anyway...I don't see what you're referring to, but you were always welcome different perspectives was the whole reason for the post and discussion. Only one wasn't welcome and it wasn't you.

I will probably eventually try the Rotella/MoS2 anyway but I'm now wondering if anyone makes a decent boron additive instead.


Liqui-moly mos2 has boron in it.


Ah someone had mentioned that before and I'd forgotten about it. In it goes!
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Clevy

Liqui-moly mos2 has boron in it.


You mean Lubro-Moly don't you?
smile.gif
Yes it has Boron, good stuff!


Nope. The can says liqui-moly here. Same stuff though,its just labelled different in America.


Or just labelled different here.
Hehehe
 
Lubro Moly are supposed to be changing names to Liqui Moly this year, the difference has caused a lot of confusion and I have no idea why they used a different name in the US, perhaps it means something silly in Spanish. One possible problem with the name Liqui is that it translates to liquidation in French, so would be no good in Canada!
 
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Clevy

Liqui-moly mos2 has boron in it.


You mean Lubro-Moly don't you?
smile.gif
Yes it has Boron, good stuff!


Nope. The can says liqui-moly here. Same stuff though,its just labelled different in America.


Thanks, I can now say I learned something new today!
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Originally Posted By: skyship
Lubro Moly are supposed to be changing names to Liqui Moly this year, the difference has caused a lot of confusion and I have no idea why they used a different name in the US, perhaps it means something silly in Spanish. One possible problem with the name Liqui is that it translates to liquidation in French, so would be no good in Canada!


Just an FYI, but the vast majority of Canadians speak ENGLISH.....
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: skyship
Lubro Moly are supposed to be changing names to Liqui Moly this year, the difference has caused a lot of confusion and I have no idea why they used a different name in the US, perhaps it means something silly in Spanish. One possible problem with the name Liqui is that it translates to liquidation in French, so would be no good in Canada!


Just an FYI, but the vast majority of Canadians speak ENGLISH.....


That's a beautiful thing isn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: skyship
Lubro Moly are supposed to be changing names to Liqui Moly this year, the difference has caused a lot of confusion and I have no idea why they used a different name in the US, perhaps it means something silly in Spanish. One possible problem with the name Liqui is that it translates to liquidation in French, so would be no good in Canada!


Just an FYI, but the vast majority of Canadians speak ENGLISH.....


I have to admit its pretty funny.
I don't think i would buy an additive that was called liquidation moly in a can for my engine.
 
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