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alarmguy said:
gasoline in much of Europe is mostly starting at$6 to over $7 dollars a gallon.
It’s always been more expensive there and why they drive around in small cars.

I know this is an EV thread, but much of the public doesn’t care about the cost of gasoline or maybe better said it’s overstated how much the public cares. we drive around in some of the most largest vehicles in the world loaded with options.

https://www.mappr.co/thematic-maps/fuel-prices-europe/
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Fuel is heavily subsidized here-that's how we wind up with crew cab 4X4 blundering brodozers all over our roads, sucking gas like it's free! But, EVs are subsidized as well, so maybe we need some subsidy for little manual transmission beater cars too... The age of the EV is (probably) coming, but it's still so, so beta!
 
bullwinkle said:
Fuel is heavily subsidized here-that's how we wind up with crew cab 4X4 blundering brodozers all over our roads, sucking gas like it's free! But, EVs are subsidized as well, so maybe we need some subsidy for little manual transmission beater cars too... The age of the EV is (probably) coming, but it's still so, so beta!
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I’m not sure that gasoline is heavily subsidized, but I could care less. Electricity and the transmission system it needs is heavily subsidized to. It's about to get even much greater subsidized if electric vehicles ever catch on in this country.

The thought that fuel is heavily subsidized is a narrative, but not a reality.
Those thoughts are thrown out there with the total lack of critical thinking, and somehow it becomes real in people’s minds.

I don’t let myself get caught up in that drama it’s just one big rabbit hole full void of all facts.
Just so we’re clear I agree with the "tone" your post

Ill go one further, lithium powered vehicles will never overtake fossil fuel burning as a majority of vehicles on the roads in the USA. Within the next 15 to 100 years something better will come along for those who don’t want to burn fossil fuels in the USA.

I constantly mention USA. We are a unique country with a huge landmass and a road system unmatched anywhere on the planet.
The small micro countries in the European Union cannot be compared
 
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AZjeff said:
Not owning an EV that's something I've never thought about. If hotels etc. don't spell out what kind of chargers they have they should.

A universal standard plug and standard connectivity should be mandatory.
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If the person answering the phone doesn't drive an EV then I wouldn't expect them to have any clue about what kind of charger is on-site.
There is a universal standard, J1772 and Tesla decided their plug is better for reasons.
 
AZjeff said:
Not owning an EV that's something I've never thought about. If hotels etc. don't spell out what kind of chargers they have they should.

A universal standard plug and standard connectivity should be mandatory.
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I’m sure that will happen at some point. After all the European Union forced Apple to convert their iPhones for USB-C charging.
Now all iPhones have USB-C charging

Somewhere on earth that will happen with electric vehicles. Unless there is some type of patent protection for companies, such as Tesla, meaning a patent protection on the design of the plug, interesting I have no clue.

Buy then again, some regulating agency can get around that by simply designing a new plug and requiring it
 
andrew_j said:
Today I pulled up to two gas pumps 30 miles to empty(daughter car), no power and no pumps…..happens.

Seems like he made it fine after neglecting starting with full charge in AM and one down charger. Made a drama video for the worst scenario.
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But you could probably swing a dead cat and hit another gas station, fill up in about 10 minutes, and be on your way. Long way to go before EV gets to this point and seems to hinge on standardization of chargers, ie; you can use any charger on any car. Kinda like I can go to any gas station and the nozzle will always fit my car. I'm sure we'll get there though, but will take a while.

I don't necessarily think he neglected the full AM charge, it just wasn't available to him overnight at the hotel like he planned. But he DID capitalize on the inconvenience and made it good YT fodder, like any tuber would to drive home a point. Again, have a way to go before it becomes as seamless as ICE. That said, I thoroughly believe the hearse taking me on my last ride will most likely be gas powered 😁.
 
alarmguy said:
I’m not sure that gasoline is heavily subsidized, but I could care less. Electricity and the transmission system it needs is heavily subsidized to. It's about to get even much greater subsidized if electric vehicles ever catch on in this country.

The thought that fuel is heavily subsidized is a narrative, but not a reality.
Those thoughts are thrown out there with the total lack of critical thinking, and somehow it becomes real in people’s minds.

I don’t let myself get caught up in that drama it’s just one big rabbit hole full void of all facts.
Just so we’re clear I agree with the "tone" your post

Ill go one further, lithium powered vehicles will never overtake fossil fuel burning as a majority of vehicles on the roads in the USA. Within the next 15 to 100 years something better will come along for those who don’t want to burn fossil fuels in the USA.

I constantly mention USA. We are a unique country with a huge landmass in a road system unmatched anywhere on the planet.
The small micro countries in the European Union cannot be compared
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I know we produce a lot of crude via fracking now, but at one time we spent a little money fighting in the Middle East over oil producing areas. Believe that would qualify as a “subsidy”, not even mentioning tax breaks, leasing of development rights, etc., etc. This coming from a person who doesn’t believe EV is anywhere near ready for prime time-and doesn’t run his 5K+ van (truck) unless he’s hauling something with it, too expensive. Maybe my almost being t-boned by a brodozer that couldn’t be bothered to stop for an obvious red light (which would have killed me for sure) is affecting my “tone”.
 
There are two sets of liars in this debate between transport forms.

A guy saying An EV is as convenient on every possible road trip - it's not. Who said that though?

A guy saying an ICE is as good a daily driver choice for a guy that can charge at home - its not.

Claiming the EV brings nothing to the table is nonsense - No one with experience makes this claim.
Skipping 52 trips a year to the gas station and starting every day with a full car is a game changer
 
bullwinkle said:
I know we produce a lot of crude via fracking now, but at one time we spent a little money fighting in the Middle East over oil producing areas. Believe that would qualify as a “subsidy”, not even mentioning tax breaks, leasing of development rights, etc., etc. This coming from a person who doesn’t believe EV is anywhere near ready for prime time-and doesn’t run his 5K+ van (truck) unless he’s hauling something with it, too expensive. Maybe my almost being t-boned by a brodozer that couldn’t be bothered to stop for an obvious red light (which would have killed me for sure) is affecting my “tone”.
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Dont mix up oil with gasoline. If you do, then it can be said, everything in your house, oh heck, everything in your life that that you touch is subsidized, including the device you are typing with in BITOG is subsidized. Everything in every aspect your life is made from oil including that water or soda bottle you drink from. Example, ALL plastic, Asphalt roadways, the roof on your house, everything and I mean everything. Oil produces a part of everything that you touch and look at.
54% of every barrel of oil is used for something other than gasoline for your car.

I'll bow out (thankfully) of the oil subsidy, it's all misinformation. They pay far more in taxes than anything related to the electric grid.
 
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alarmguy said:
gasoline in much of Europe is mostly starting at $6 to over $7 dollars a gallon.
It’s always been more expensive there and why they drive around in small cars.

I know this is an EV thread, but much of the public doesn’t care about the cost of gasoline or maybe better said it’s overstated how much the public cares. we drive around in some of the most largest vehicles in the world loaded with options.

https://www.mappr.co/thematic-maps/fuel-prices-europe/
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i know how much gasoline is in Europe. I am from there and go there often.
Is the reason why Sienna, Highlander hybrids are selling like hotcakes their “impeccable performance,” or frugality?
 
edyvw said:
i know how much gasoline is in Europe. I am from there and go there often.
Is the reason why Sienna, Highlander hybrids are selling like hotcakes their “impeccable performance,” or frugality?
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I suspect frugality? I dont see performance based purchases here in the USA as the majority so assume its the same there.
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I dont know. You would know better than me. (I just deleted my whole long post*LOL*)
 
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alarmguy said:
I suspect frugality? I dont see performance based purchases here in the USA as the majority so assume its the same there.
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I dont know. You would know better than me. (I just deleted my whole long post*LOL*)
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VW is seriously struggling, but their choice of what they offer on the NA market is, well, let's say, questionable.
 
alarmguy said:
Oh I agree for sure, that is actual fact. They have always had quality control issues. I honestly dont get it, I love the European look but they cant deliver.
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As someone who owns numerous VWs, I know quality was not their problem more than others. They had some bad apples like other did.
The problem is that they don't have a horse for the race, or they are stupidly late.
Current issues stem from the fact that Dieselgate hit them with a $42bln cost, and they are trying to cut their way out of it. Now they are turning to questionable choices (I have seen that on Atlas, like low carbon rotors, similar like on Asian vehicles) etc.
BMW best seller is that X5 PHEV. Where is VW's PHEV? etc. etc.
 
edyvw said:
VW is seriously struggling, but their choice of what they offer on the NA market is, well, let's say, questionable.
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Yeah, where the H is the Golf R wagon?? Oh, Europe and most everywhere else but here of course 😁. Don't get me started about the lack of plug-ins.
 
Trav said:
The big problem with that is back in that time people were all in on a better, faster means of transport, the EV is not bringing anything better to the table than what we have now and IMO anyone who thinks or claims it does is either lying to themselves or lying to us IMO.
Look at this POS VW van, 70K, it gets cold and the fiasco begins, fat chance of anyone with more than 2 brain cells ever hooking up to something like that.
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EVs are like any other vehicles in that some are better than others. The Leaf was an early EV that flunked out for good reason.
Are they better, equal or worse? That depends on your use case, right?
There were buyers who jumped on the Tesla bandwagon and dumped them in a year because they did not understand charging; they thought pure Supercharging would work. This was, by far, the #1 reason.
There are others who found they loved the EV and are on their 2nd purchase. Some families are EV only; there is one on my block. Cut their BMWs loose after their Model Y and now have 2 EVs.

What do I like about our M3P? Charging at home with solar panels; full tank every morning if I want. 2nd, the car is a flat out blast to drive. I also prefer the Japanese "less is more" approach; the car is uncluttered. But that's just me; it takes getting used to and some will hate it. Full transparency, I rarely drive the car over 250 miles in a day.

Of course my neighbors do like my old Tundra, so there's that. And it ain't going nowhere.
 
alarmguy said:
gasoline in much of Europe is mostly starting at $6 to over $7 dollars a gallon.
It’s always been more expensive there and why they drive around in small cars.

I know this is an EV thread, but much of the public doesn’t care about the cost of gasoline or maybe better said it’s overstated how much the public cares. we drive around in some of the most largest vehicles in the world loaded with options.

https://www.mappr.co/thematic-maps/fuel-prices-europe/
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Well, come to CA. You will find about 30M people who care about gas prices. Just sayin'...
 
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