RL 10w-40 for FSI GTI

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Hello,
I'm interested in using the Red Line 10w-40 for my 08 FSI GTI, specifically for the Moly it contains (the 5w-40 does not). I know that the 5w-40 is the usually rec. weight for my engine but am wondering if it's acceptable, in So California, to run the 10w-40?
Thanks for the help,
Alex
 
Sure. It's a great oil, but how do you know that the 10w-40 has moly, or if it's even necessary?
 
Hey, Junkie
I remember reading a thread a while ago on bitog that discussed RL and moly. Apparently, the 5w-40 used to have moly too until RL decided to make it and the 5w-30 acceptable for a certain application( diesel ?) for which moly isn't/wasn't allowed. I believe those 2 are the only RL general use auto oils that had the moly removed. I also called RL to confirm that 10w-40 had moly and the fellow said yes, it does...
As for why i'd like moly in my oil, I suppose there's no reason other than it seems like a good, if not absolutely necessary, addition to the oil. If there's no disadvantage to the 10w vs 5w, I'd like to get the advantages moly provides.
 
Why not their 0w40 if you want something with Moly? Red Line clearly says it is good for VW 502. I'd probably call them and see what they recommend for that application. Proably the 0w40 or 5w40.

robert
 
From a couple data points on my FSI the moly-containing 10w40 didn't show any dramatic improvements or negatives compared to the 5w40.

As I understand it, moly and the esters are in competition for surface area, so large amounts of moly are needed to attempt to achieve the friction modifier benefit. As AJ asked, does the moly actually benefit in this ester-containing formulation? another question I have is does it benefit without significant build up of acids due to having too many sulphur containing additives in the oil?

In comparison to 5w40 UOAs, the following positives and negatives were observed (but some of these differences are small and probably well within the "noise" of the testing or could be accounted for by change in weather or driving or other variables):

Positives:

Possibly slightly smaller iron levels
Possibly slightly better shear stability

Negatives:

Possibly faster TBN reduction and TAN increase(i.e. the 10w40 might be a shorter drain oil than 5w40)

Some 10w40 vs. 5w40 discussion here and my UOAs are posted in this thread as well:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...029#Post2005029

At this time, I would choose the 5w40 over the 10w40 due to the benefits of possible less acid accumulation, the wider temp range (possibly giving a slight mpg bump in lower temps during warm up period) -and possibly reaching the HPFP cam follower and/or turbo slightly faster in cold temps???- But more data would help to better define the benefits and drawbacks. They are so close that it won't make that much difference which you choose but personally I think the 5w40 is a better fit for this engine.
 
Yes,
I suppose the 0w-40 is an option. I guess I overlooked it because I live in a warm climate (L.A.) where the 0w is unnecessary. I think the best thing is to give RL another call.
Thanks Robert,
 
Thanks Saaber,
That's very interesting food for thought. I'm curious, when you say "cold temps", what exactly do you mean?
Btw thanks for that link...
 
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