Ridgeline to take a break

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Originally Posted By: Miller88
Definitely a niche vehicle.

I do like the interior with rubber floor mat. I would consider one, but not if I had to actually use it as a truck.

No, it's not a work truck or one that is designed to haul huge loads. But really, when you look around....how many folks use a full size, massive REAL truck for anything other than mall shopping, posing, or at most, mild hauling duties? Don't get me wrong, I think full size trucks are great. I've had one. I just don't think for the VAST majority of folks they are utilized as designed. The Ridge is a niche vehicle. I feel it's for folks that are perhaps better able to understand that they don't need a full size truck....yet still want to pull a fairly good load occasional AND have the driving manners more associated with a fairly nimble SUV. But for farmers, loggers, ranch owners, and construction crews? No, not for them.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
It was a [censored] poor vehicle. Their was nothing the Ridgeline could do that a domestic half ton couldn't do better.

MPG sucked for what it was, and it was a FWD biased vehicle with the motor mounted the wrong way on skinny little axles.

Another completely subjective opinion. It's a fantastic vehicle generally loved by those that have owned one. It fits the middle ground (with Honda reliability) quite nicely. Overall ratings during it's entire lifespan have been very good. It has an ingenious ability to be a highly functional vehicle (without being a heavy, bloated, ego driven, full size 'poser' truck) while at the same time very enjoyable and responsive. It's has the road manners of a much more nimble vehicle than it's size would indicate. Precise handling, very tight feel. The two mode tailgate, the waterproof, lockable trunk, and the SUV like rear seating is exceptional. To say that it's a [censored] poor vehicle is just a [censored] poor comment and adds nothing to the conversation. No, the Ridge is not able to haul a house down the road....or rock-crawl up Mt. Rushmore.....but it does what is was advertised to do...VERY WELL. And for what it's worth, it was also recently advertised by a major consumer research outfit to be one of the vehicles built today that is most likely able to make it past 200k miles with regular maintenance.


http://www.edmunds.com/honda/ridgeline/2013/mpg.html

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-11-most-fuel-efficient-trucks-for-2012.html

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/silverado-1500/2012/features-specs.html?style=101397816

My statement is factually correct. For what it is, it delivers [censored] poor mileage and their is nothing a Ridgeline can do that a body on frame pickup can't do better from a usage perspective. If your going to sacrifice the durability capability for a lighter built vehicle with a smaller motor to get better mileage, than it should get better mileage...which it doesn't.

The market has spoken and Honda cut it from the lineup. Honda also chose not to update it at all.

Oh and I'd love to see a Honda with 200k on it and the original transmission. 200k for a truck is nothing.

The bloated comment is just silly and factually incorrect since you can load up a Ridgeline with lots of options and its not a small vehicle.
 
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Competition in the segment is brutal. Full-sized trucks is where Detroit never missed a beat. The lost years of 1970-1987 or so, just never happened for trucks.

Except for the visibility, which I understand is just horrible, I wouldn't mind having one. The more competition the better, I say, but I have to take some satisfaction in watching Detroit drive them from our shores.

P.S. Toyota Tundra has more US content than F150. They count as American.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I think it's funny how every Ridgeline thread has to go for at least 5 pages of arguing about if it's a "real" truck or not.

Ironically, it's the people that are insecure and claim it's not a real truck that always keep it going. Those that see the truck's merits are ok just discussing the truck.
 
Wow, my head hurts.

It was fine for what it did. Some people like it, some people don't. I don't think the gas mileage was all that stellar when compared to a half ton truck.

What I will say is no big deal for it to make 200,000 miles as it most likey being used light duty, like most trucks. But...

If it were to be used say like my current truck or my old 89 GMC, 90 percent towing over 7000 lbs. I don't think that drivetrain in anything would last the long doing that kind of work. The components are just not that robust.
It was a good a good Ranger/S-10/Tacoma.
 
For those that want to decide for the forum that the Ridgeline is a ......."POS", "did nothing well", "[censored] poor vehicle", "a joke", "it had the infamous AT"....etc., you are certainly welcome to those opinions (factual, incorrect, or subjective). To the rest of us that have never claimed that the Ridge is as capable as a full size V-8 truck in the hauling department, it is nonetheless a superb vehicle that does exactly as Honda advertised. I certainly am not 'insecure' about owning one nor do I feel the need to claim it's a 'real' truck. Indeed, the humorous (if not boringly repetitive) part about any thread relating to the Ridgeline are the untruths and almost bizarro comments directed against it. Makes me think that the insecure folks are the full size truck owners who greatly fear that someday, a Japanese based company will make a better truck than the big three.
In the mean time I'll gladly be driving my much enjoyed and useful Ridgeline....that does everything exceptionally well for me.
 
It never pretended to be a F-250 or Duramax. It was an alternative vehicle for the suburban "Home Depot" types that haul a bag of mulch and 2 potted plants on a Saturday morning.

Why all the hate? The more choices out there in the marketplace, the better for all of us!
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
For those that want to decide for the forum that the Ridgeline is a ......."POS", "did nothing well", "[censored] poor vehicle", "a joke", "it had the infamous AT"....etc., you are certainly welcome to those opinions (factual, incorrect, or subjective). To the rest of us that have never claimed that the Ridge is as capable as a full size V-8 truck in the hauling department, it is nonetheless a superb vehicle that does exactly as Honda advertised. I certainly am not 'insecure' about owning one nor do I feel the need to claim it's a 'real' truck. Indeed, the humorous (if not boringly repetitive) part about any thread relating to the Ridgeline are the untruths and almost bizarro comments directed against it. Makes me think that the insecure folks are the full size truck owners who greatly fear that someday, a Japanese based company will make a better truck than the big three.
In the mean time I'll gladly be driving my much enjoyed and useful Ridgeline....that does everything exceptionally well for me.


Andrew, you might be right about somethings, but some folks just don't think it is a truck.

I don't think anyone is insecure, they just don't like the Ridgeline and express in a less then ideal way.

If I got that upset anytime someone said something bad about GM I would have left years ago.
I could say everyone who bashes GM is insecure about some of the good products they make, but where would it get me?

It was a fine vehicle for what it did, the reason it is leaving is because enough folks just don't feel like you did about it. It would have been useless to someone like me who has a 32 foot travel trailer. It lacks the brakes, frame, stability and extra cooling system capaity of a full size truck for large travel trailer towing or 3000 lbs payloads. And while a lot of people see guys driving around in empty full size trucks, you just don't know what they get used for. I only tow with mine so it does not get out, but the guy I work with has 3/4 ton Ford that is a daily driver and his tow vehicle. It was cheaper for him to buy and insure 1 truck vs a truck an extra car like I do. I am not a truck guy, it is just a tool to move my trailer.

You bought for your needs which, I would suppose as I don't know, was in line with what folks use a S-10, Canyon, Tacoma insert another small truck here for.
The Ridgeling did all that stuff fine. Who cares what anyone else thinks.
 
I don't think the Ridgeline is/was a poor seller because of its qualities as a "truck". I think the Ridgeline is/was a poor seller because it's marketed to a "sport/utility" type of audience but doesn't get "sport/utility" type economy.

You can draw an exact parallel with the Chevy Avalanche, also now gone. The Avalanche was every bit a "truck" as a Silverado 1500. In fact, they offered both 1500 and 2500 versions of the Avalance. But like the Ridgeline, the Avalanche wasn't marketed to general contractors and oil riggers; it was marketed to "sport/utility" type people...those with active lifestyles who like to bike and camp and kayak and hike. You can also draw the exact same parallel with the Explorer Sport Trac, again, also now gone. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this pages-long thread, but it was a true body-on-frame vehicle with good towing and hauling capability. It, too, was not marketed as a "truck", but was marketed as an alternative vehicle to those with outdoor lifestyles.

Those types of people are increasingly demanding lower emissions and lower fuel consumption from their vehicles, are turning to vehicles like the Honda CR-V, Chevy Equinox, Ford Escape, etc. Neither the Honda nor the Avalanche nor the Sport Trac failed because they were or were not "trucks", or because they did or did not have body-on-frame construction, or because they did or did not have longitudinal V-8 engines. All three had varying combinations of those qualities, and all three are now gone, or will soon be.

I believe they failed because gas prices five years ago essentially "called their bluff", and each of the automakers let the product languish. Back in 2007 when gas was cheap, sales for each of these choices were strong enough to justify their position. Through the end of that decade, however, gas became much more expensive, startlingly so for the young-to-middle age set to which these vehicles were marketed, and the demand simply went away. All three of these truckish vehicles (Ridge, Av, Sport Trac), offered the versatility of a small bed, but none of them offered good fuel economy. The cost- or eco-minded consumer was then gone. The "image" consumer is going to choose a chromed-out F-150 Lariat long before he chooses an Explorer Sport Trac, so that consumer is gone or never was there to begin with. The market simply dried up.

Honda never updated the powertrain for the Ridgeline. A brand new model uses essentially the same 3.5L engine as our 2005 Acura. One could only guess at how efficient a new Avalanche with the 3.6L DOHC V-6 might be, or how neat a car-based Sport Trac with the EcoBoost 3.5L would or could be. But all three were essentially left for dead; and it shows in the sales numbers.
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: andrewg
For those that want to decide for the forum that the Ridgeline is a ......."POS", "did nothing well", "[censored] poor vehicle", "a joke", "it had the infamous AT"....etc., you are certainly welcome to those opinions (factual, incorrect, or subjective). To the rest of us that have never claimed that the Ridge is as capable as a full size V-8 truck in the hauling department, it is nonetheless a superb vehicle that does exactly as Honda advertised. I certainly am not 'insecure' about owning one nor do I feel the need to claim it's a 'real' truck. Indeed, the humorous (if not boringly repetitive) part about any thread relating to the Ridgeline are the untruths and almost bizarro comments directed against it. Makes me think that the insecure folks are the full size truck owners who greatly fear that someday, a Japanese based company will make a better truck than the big three.
In the mean time I'll gladly be driving my much enjoyed and useful Ridgeline....that does everything exceptionally well for me.


Andrew, you might be right about somethings, but some folks just don't think it is a truck.

I don't think anyone is insecure, they just don't like the Ridgeline and express in a less then ideal way.

If I got that upset anytime someone said something bad about GM I would have left years ago.
I could say everyone who bashes GM is insecure about some of the good products they make, but where would it get me?

It was a fine vehicle for what it did, the reason it is leaving is because enough folks just don't feel like you did about it. It would have been useless to someone like me who has a 32 foot travel trailer. It lacks the brakes, frame, stability and extra cooling system capaity of a full size truck for large travel trailer towing or 3000 lbs payloads. And while a lot of people see guys driving around in empty full size trucks, you just don't know what they get used for. I only tow with mine so it does not get out, but the guy I work with has 3/4 ton Ford that is a daily driver and his tow vehicle. It was cheaper for him to buy and insure 1 truck vs a truck an extra car like I do. I am not a truck guy, it is just a tool to move my trailer.

You bought for your needs which, I would suppose as I don't know, was in line with what folks use a S-10, Canyon, Tacoma insert another small truck here for.
The Ridgeling did all that stuff fine. Who cares what anyone else thinks.

Mike....I agree with pretty much 100% of what you posted. And for the record...my comments about insecurity were in reference to a previous post that was saying that Ridgeline owners must be insecure because of arguing the virtues of the Honda. I was just bouncing the comment right back towards the poster.
I have no issue with anyone not liking the Ridgeline. I just don't care to hear immature insults about my vehicle choice. Especially by those that ....A. Have never driven one....B. Have never owned one.....and C. Compare apples to oranges. I'm not overly sensitive about the vehicle. I just don't like insults and slights based on nothing more than opinions. Now what you said was FACTUAL and has merit. A Ridgeline would not work for you. Comments like this make little sense (though well meaning I assume) ..."It was an alternative vehicle for the suburban "Home Depot" types that haul a bag of mulch and 2 potted plants on a Saturday morning". I know the poster meant well, but seriously? I could haul that on a motorcycle trailer. The ridge will fit a full size sheet of plywood in the bed....something many mini-pickups can't do. It also has a 1500 pound bed capacity. No, that's not on par with an F150-250, but certainly an ample amount for what most folks need. But enough of me beating my head against a brick wall.
As one poster has said...."the market has spoken". And with that, I agree and is how it should be (even though it was even 'spoken' more strongly to GM....but that's another sad story).
 
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Originally Posted By: andrewg

Mike....I agree with pretty much 100% of what you posted. And for the record...my comments about insecurity were in reference to a previous post that was saying that Ridgeline owners must be insecure because of arguing the virtues of the Honda. I was just bouncing the comment right back towards the poster.

My comment about insecurity was misinterpreted. It seems like the guys that own "real trucks" are the ones that get upset with the Ridgeline. Not all of them do, but the ones that make noise really seem to go out of their way pointing out the Ridgelines faults. It's like they have to make the Honda look bad, so they feel good about their trucks.
 
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Originally Posted By: andrewg

Mike....I agree with pretty much 100% of what you posted. And for the record...my comments about insecurity were in reference to a previous post that was saying that Ridgeline owners must be insecure because of arguing the virtues of the Honda. I was just bouncing the comment right back towards the poster.

My comment about insecurity was misinterpreted. It seems like the guys that own "real trucks" are the ones that get upset with the Ridgeline. Not all of them do, but the ones that make noise really seem to go out of their way pointing out the Ridgelines faults. It's like they have to make the Honda look bad, so they feel good about their trucks.

Oh, ok! Sorry about that. And I agree. It's a shame that many do that. I see great value in 'real' full size trucks. Especially if used as designed. I like the look of the new Dodge especially. But do I need one? No. Overkill.
To be honest and for full disclosure here....I do have one gripe about my Ridgeline (forgot about it). It's the paint job. Mine is black and looks great for the most part. But when looking at certain angles I can detect a few imperfections like thinner paint in one small spot, a slight run, and orange peel on the sides. Honda does need to improve the process on that.
 
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It will be nice for Ridgeline lovers when the new model comes out, the current model is a bit tired. My wife's aunt and uncle own an '08 model which they seem to enjoy. It has been reliable, although it only has 50K. I've driven it and it's comfortable. Lowish MPG and downshifting on the slightest of hills in cruise control were my only gripes after 200 miles behind the wheel.
 
My 1012 model will be my last pickup/truck/or whatever folks want to call it. I'm getting long in the tooth and closer to retirement. I'll bet Honda will not even re-enter the market in 2016 with another Ridgeline as they've said. Just a hunch. My last vehicle purchase will be in about two years....and it will most likely be a Mercedes SLK. The Ridge will be my utility vehicle.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
My 1012 model will be my last pickup/truck/or whatever folks want to call it. I'm getting long in the tooth and closer to retirement. I'll bet Honda will not even re-enter the market in 2016 with another Ridgeline as they've said. Just a hunch. My last vehicle purchase will be in about two years....and it will most likely be a Mercedes SLK. The Ridge will be my utility vehicle.


Who says you can't have a truck when you're retired? My dad is retired and thinks my truck is more comfortable than his Civic.

I knew a guy in his 80s with a 2002 4.6L F-150 Lariat. He claimed to average 21-22 MPG...I don't doubt it. I rode in that truck and I don't think it ever went above 2500 RPM.

I think your hunch is spot on. Ford claimed they would redesign the Ranger over and over again for years. 2004, 2008, 2010... It never happened, then it died. I actually hope Honda will follow up with another Ridgeline. I like to see as many competitors as possible, not their disappearance.
 
Which of course is what most people use their utility vehicles for, including most "real" pickup owners.

Actually, most of the pickup trucks in my neighborhood never haul even that much as far as I can see.

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
It never pretended to be a F-250 or Duramax. It was an alternative vehicle for the suburban "Home Depot" types that haul a bag of mulch and 2 potted plants on a Saturday morning.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
I think your hunch is spot on. Ford claimed they would redesign the Ranger over and over again for years. 2004, 2008, 2010... It never happened, then it died.


I wish they would have redesigned the Ranger. My perfect pickup isn't really a full sized heavy duty piece of equipment.

I would love a 4WD full frame pickup, 250hp, 25+ mpg hwy, and the same size as the 90's Ranger. Why is that so hard?
 
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