That's interesting. That could explain a lot. Bring on the cold weather testing!!
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So much secrecy...must be someone figures they'll get rich quick...afraid we'll steal their data and make a Super Secret All-Powerful Oil... $
Well, this is a Double-Super Secret Racing Oil made in America.
Then how come you know so much about it?...
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That's interesting. That could explain a lot. Bring on the cold weather testing!!
I ran the 5W-40 at 10F last winter. BTW, it does have VIIs.
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So much secrecy...must be someone figures they'll get rich quick...afraid we'll steal their data and make a Super Secret All-Powerful Oil... $
Well, this is a Double-Super Secret Racing Oil made in America.
Then how come you know so much about it?...
Camu, I'm assuming that you haven't been following along in my threads about the 5W-40 RLI BioSyn.
I paid Terry Dyson as a professional consultant to formulate the Double-Super Secret Racing Oil for the Audi RS4. That's why I know so much about it. I have about $5000 invested in oil development for the good of my engine and others that own the same. He, in turn, worked with Bill Garmier, the owner and formulator of Renewable Lubricants, to develop the blend that we have today. I am under NDA with Terry and have access to information that is generally not publicly available. I also have a few friends out there who are also interested in the technology, and occasionally report on interesting happenings in the automotive and racing industry that might be related to this oil in various engines and applications.
The technology is unique and disruptive.
Lets stop trying to bury this oil. The world doesn't revolve around M1 and Amsoil ya know. Be patient and you will all have more data to base your "own" opinions on. I highly doubt Terry and RI would spend the time and money on something that did not work, however on the flip side, it is new technology not seen anywhere on here so I understand the hesitation.
One mistake people "still" make with this stuff is focusing on one thing. Examples - Moly, esters, VII's etc. You can't look at it that way. It's all in the mix. Joe Gibb's racing oil which is supposedly outstanding uses VII's because they found that some small amount are better than having none!
One mistake people "still" make with this stuff is focusing on one thing. Examples - Moly, esters, VII's etc. You can't look at it that way. It's all in the mix. Joe Gibb's racing oil which is supposedly outstanding uses VII's because they found that some small amount are better than having none!
paid Terry Dyson as a professional consultant to formulate the Double-Super Secret Racing Oil for the Audi RS4. That's why I know so much about it. I have about $5000 invested in oil development for the good of my engine and others that own the same. He, in turn, worked with Bill Garmier, the owner and formulator of Renewable Lubricants, to develop the blend that we have today. I am under NDA with Terry and have access to information that is generally not publicly available. I also have a few friends out there who are also interested in the technology, and occasionally report on interesting happenings in the automotive and racing industry that might be related to this oil in various engines and applications.
RI,
I think we have a lot of people here at BITOG plus the non-members interested in RLI as well. After reading this thread I've learned much and I know little about oil. Pablo asked some very good questions and I'm sure we'll all see future answers but the debate will go on. BTY - There is a long thread Terry discussing RLI. He is one of the "many" experts I found it informative. Let's see this thread so far had...
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RI,
I think we have a lot of people here at BITOG plus the non-members interested in RLI as well. After reading this thread I've learned much and I know little about oil. Pablo asked some very good questions and I'm sure we'll all see future answers but the debate will go on. BTY - There is a long thread Terry discussing RLI. He is one of the "many" experts I found it informative. Let's see this thread so far had...
Can someone provide a compelling reason to consider switching to these oils unless that have a specific engine malady they are trying to ameliorate?
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""paid Terry Dyson as a professional consultant to formulate the Double-Super Secret Racing Oil for the Audi RS4. That's why I know so much about it. I have about $5000 invested""
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But when I hire out consulting work I end up Owning the property. If you paid him do you not own all the info? and if not because of NDA did they/he give you back a discount since it sounds like you paid for the work but "they" will be the ones to profit from the information.
Sorry old fashioned here if I paid for it I own it as such I will not do any work with anyone that has that lopsided attitiude after all are they NOT working for you?
bruce
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But when I hire out consulting work I end up Owning the property. If you paid him do you not own all the info? and if not because of NDA did they/he give you back a discount since it sounds like you paid for the work but "they" will be the ones to profit from the information.
Sorry old fashioned here if I paid for it I own it as such I will not do any work with anyone that has that lopsided attitiude after all are they NOT working for you?
bruce
Not really....I sell the rights to use my software but the folks cannot copy nor publish it as I own the patents. Terry owns his intellectual property ( his methodologies etc.) and as a condition of his services he can/does mandate a non disclosure. I'm in full understanding....think about it for a second....Terry gets paid $XX dollars to work with you and formulate a great solution for your oil issues....you post everything on BITOG....why would other folks pay him when you just published all his work? They wouldn't.
You just posted on the INTERNET utilizing software you paid for. Publish the source code and see how long until the "IP Police" show up at your house
On the other hand I do understand some frustrations here when a fella post up "FACT" statements and then says he cannot divulge the data behind this "FACT"....short and sweet of it is if you cannot share the data the "Fact" is based on then it is not a "FACT" it is a rumor. IMHO.
That makes sense kinda like a songs being downloaded for free and the band gets nothing I guess you have a point BUT terry makes No oil but he RLI does so who is profitng and who paid for it?
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""You just posted on the INTERNET utilizing software you paid for. Publish the source code and see how long until the "IP Police" show up at your house""
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I'm using Vista and have never had so may problems getting on line,now is Ok but what a mess when I got this new computer with Vista.
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I'm using Vista and have never had so may problems getting on line,now is Ok but what a mess when I got this new computer with Vista.
Well I guess both Terry and RLI profit from it in one sense as they both "move product". Our friend with the Audi profits from getting his oil issues resolved. You and I receive no benefit from any of these transactions obviously as we cannot get any data outside of wear metals to base any decisions on. Guess we'll have to pay Terry....oh wait a minute I did
He has me running PP 10-30 in the "Beast". I shared the UOA numbers but nothing else per the NDA....but we have tons of other info on PP from other folks and not that much on RLI so RLI will remain a curiosity to me and nothing more nor less. And before any folks get their panties in a wad I acknowledge this particular oil is a custom blended "solution" for a specific application and not just a UOA analysis....
Send me $5000 dollars and I'll fix it for you but you have to sign my NDA
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So much secrecy...must be someone figures they'll get rich quick...afraid we'll steal their data and make a Super Secret All-Powerful Oil... $
Well, this is a Double-Super Secret Racing Oil made in America.
Then how come you know so much about it?...
Camu, I'm assuming that you haven't been following along in my threads about the 5W-40 RLI BioSyn.
I paid Terry Dyson as a professional consultant to formulate the Double-Super Secret Racing Oil for the Audi RS4. That's why I know so much about it. I have about $5000 invested in oil development for the good of my engine and others that own the same. He, in turn, worked with Bill Garmier, the owner and formulator of Renewable Lubricants, to develop the blend that we have today. I am under NDA with Terry and have access to information that is generally not publicly available. I also have a few friends out there who are also interested in the technology, and occasionally report on interesting happenings in the automotive and racing industry that might be related to this oil in various engines and applications.
The technology is unique and disruptive.
It's disruptive to you because you paid $5000 dollars for an oil that will not be needed once low-sulfur fuels appear. If I paid $5000 dollars I guess I would be spouting off a lot too. You paid their R&D costs and have been a walking talking advertisement for Dyson and RLI. You just wait this ball is rolling and one day you can tell people you were behind RLI all along. Whether they believe you or not is up to them. And if magically they give you a job or some kind of kick back...nobody here will believe they weren't doing it all along...Once SOPUS and Exxon-Mobil start formulating with soy oils things might get ugly...They might already be coming up with the same stuff...
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