Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
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Redline or ultra for better cleaning?
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Only time will tell.
Well, the Ultra is not all Group III, plus there are things in there we cannot see from a VOA, plus it has a boat load of boron in it. So, only time will tell.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, the Ultra is not all Group III, plus there are things in there we cannot see from a VOA, plus it has a boat load of boron in it. So, only time will tell.
I don't think boron is being used as a detergent, but more as a moly substitute.
http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2007/ES070803.pdf
Well, the Ultra is not all Group III, plus there are things in there we cannot see from a VOA, plus it has a boat load of boron in it. So, only time will tell.
I don't think boron is being used as a detergent, but more as a moly substitute.
http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2007/ES070803.pdf
Redline
Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
You answered your own question. Give it 6 months to a year to let people run it and see how it performs. Way too soon to say anything about it.
Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
You answered your own question. Give it 6 months to a year to let people run it and see how it performs. Way too soon to say anything about it.
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Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
You answered your own question. Give it 6 months to a year to let people run it and see how it performs. Way too soon to say anything about it.
I agree, the hype has it as the very best, it could very well be. For now I'm waiting for some proof, until then I'll use up my Proven PP stash.
Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
You answered your own question. Give it 6 months to a year to let people run it and see how it performs. Way too soon to say anything about it.
I agree, the hype has it as the very best, it could very well be. For now I'm waiting for some proof, until then I'll use up my Proven PP stash.
M1 of any kind will clean very well. Also you may want to consider M1 HM.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_High_Mileage_5w30.aspx
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_High_Mileage_5w30.aspx
Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
Not to be rude, but if you knew that NO ONE on this site has any history on this new oil, why ask the question???
Which oil do you think would clean an older motor better? I know ultra is new and doesn't have much of a history.
Not to be rude, but if you knew that NO ONE on this site has any history on this new oil, why ask the question???
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Ultra is unproven - all speculation at this point.
Bravo on your actual use of solid problem solving and wisdom
in your reply.
We can't produce any emperical data on Ultra. We only
surmise it has higher levels of Esters than most
widely available major label oils.
We do know that the Esters in Redline (and other
almost pure ester oils) seek contact with metals
at the molecular level. Instead of cleaning
the "crud", Esters actually get "under" it
"around it" and through it directly to
the metal and the "crud" has nothing to stick
too. What Esters do in an engine is very
different than what/how high detergent non-
esters "clean" an engine. An added benefit
of Esters is that they will actually "flow to"
or "seek" heat and high friction areas in
an engine due to their polarity and non-esters
natuarally avoid and flow away from heat.
Hope this helps.
in your reply.
We can't produce any emperical data on Ultra. We only
surmise it has higher levels of Esters than most
widely available major label oils.
We do know that the Esters in Redline (and other
almost pure ester oils) seek contact with metals
at the molecular level. Instead of cleaning
the "crud", Esters actually get "under" it
"around it" and through it directly to
the metal and the "crud" has nothing to stick
too. What Esters do in an engine is very
different than what/how high detergent non-
esters "clean" an engine. An added benefit
of Esters is that they will actually "flow to"
or "seek" heat and high friction areas in
an engine due to their polarity and non-esters
natuarally avoid and flow away from heat.
Hope this helps.
Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
Bravo on your actual use of solid problem solving and wisdom
in your reply.
We can't produce any emperical data on Ultra. We only
surmise it has higher levels of Esters than most
widely available major label oils.
We do know that the Esters in Redline (and other
almost pure ester oils) seek contact with metals
at the molecular level. Instead of cleaning
the "crud", Esters actually get "under" it
"around it" and through it directly to
the metal and the "crud" has nothing to stick
too. What Esters do in an engine is very
different than what/how high detergent non-
esters "clean" an engine. An added benefit
of Esters is that they will actually "flow to"
or "seek" heat and high friction areas in
an engine due to their polarity and non-esters
natuarally avoid and flow away from heat.
Hope this helps.
I know what Esters are!!!!!!!! Your question about a UNPROVEN oil with no UOA DATA OR HISTORY behind it is silly. Look at all of the replies buddy...it's UNPROVEN! Anything else is just a [censored] shot so just wait for the UOA like the rest of us.
Hope this helps.
Bravo on your actual use of solid problem solving and wisdom
in your reply.
We can't produce any emperical data on Ultra. We only
surmise it has higher levels of Esters than most
widely available major label oils.
We do know that the Esters in Redline (and other
almost pure ester oils) seek contact with metals
at the molecular level. Instead of cleaning
the "crud", Esters actually get "under" it
"around it" and through it directly to
the metal and the "crud" has nothing to stick
too. What Esters do in an engine is very
different than what/how high detergent non-
esters "clean" an engine. An added benefit
of Esters is that they will actually "flow to"
or "seek" heat and high friction areas in
an engine due to their polarity and non-esters
natuarally avoid and flow away from heat.
Hope this helps.
I know what Esters are!!!!!!!! Your question about a UNPROVEN oil with no UOA DATA OR HISTORY behind it is silly. Look at all of the replies buddy...it's UNPROVEN! Anything else is just a [censored] shot so just wait for the UOA like the rest of us.
Hope this helps.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, the Ultra is not all Group III, plus there are things in there we cannot see from a VOA, plus it has a boat load of boron in it. So, only time will tell.
I don't think boron is being used as a detergent, but more as a moly substitute.
http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2007/ES070803.pdf
Nice find! Boron treated oils possibly increasing fuel economy 4-5% compared to other oils? That would be VERY nice if it turns out to be true.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, the Ultra is not all Group III, plus there are things in there we cannot see from a VOA, plus it has a boat load of boron in it. So, only time will tell.
I don't think boron is being used as a detergent, but more as a moly substitute.
http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2007/ES070803.pdf
Nice find! Boron treated oils possibly increasing fuel economy 4-5% compared to other oils? That would be VERY nice if it turns out to be true.
jeez let us have a little fun will ya
So do we yet know anything concrete about PU base stock? Group III/IV/V ratios? Is the Group III component something cool like Shell XHVI (same as RTS) or just the same old ordinary PP group III "yes we can legally call it synthetic now" stuff?
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Originally Posted By: qship1996
I find it hilarious people are recommending Ultra like it is a proven, time tested product......its not, and just another group 3 fake synthetic crowding the shelves with all the others competing for a buyer based on pure marketing hype.
There is nothing wrong with Group III, especially when it's fortified with esters.
I find it hilarious people are recommending Ultra like it is a proven, time tested product......its not, and just another group 3 fake synthetic crowding the shelves with all the others competing for a buyer based on pure marketing hype.
There is nothing wrong with Group III, especially when it's fortified with esters.
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: qship1996
I find it hilarious people are recommending Ultra like it is a proven, time tested product......its not, and just another group 3 fake synthetic crowding the shelves with all the others competing for a buyer based on pure marketing hype.
There is nothing wrong with Group III, especially when it's fortified with esters.
Nothing wrong with it, but I find it highly improbable that it would be competitive with a true ester based oil on cleaning ability.
Originally Posted By: qship1996
I find it hilarious people are recommending Ultra like it is a proven, time tested product......its not, and just another group 3 fake synthetic crowding the shelves with all the others competing for a buyer based on pure marketing hype.
There is nothing wrong with Group III, especially when it's fortified with esters.
Nothing wrong with it, but I find it highly improbable that it would be competitive with a true ester based oil on cleaning ability.
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