Redline 5w30 in Integra Type R

[pyromaster]

Here is my analysis of redline 5w30 at ~4000 miles with ~170 track miles on it. I'm also posting my previous numbers of Redline and Mobil1 5w30 for comparison (more detail of them in this thread )
Overall, the redline numbers seem are consistent with last redline change. I'll admit I was hoping to see some numbers drop since my last Redline analysis. Also, I started using Fuel Power about 1,000 miles into this interval. For clarification, redline2 is the latest analysis and redline1 was the analysis done in Nov. Thanks to Terry for the analysis.

jeff

result- redline2, redline1, M1
Copper- 7, 6, 5
Iron- 15, 10, 7
chrome- 2, 2, 1
lead- 12, 12, 3
aluminum- 11, 6, 3
silicon- 10, 10, 7
moly- 521, 569, 47
sodium- 14, 12, 7
magnesium- 16, 29, 102
tin- 0, 0, 1
zinc- 1100, 1220, 577
potassium- 21, 13, 11
phosphorus- 1030, 1090, 526
calcium- 2230, 2530, 1750
water- negative, negative, negative
Fuel- negative, negative, negative
Antifreeze- negative, negative, negative
soot- 33, 0, 0
oxidation- 79, 34, 32
nitration- 21, 78, 70
sulfur- 77, 60, 58
TBN- 6, 10, 10
Vis@100C- 11.5 11.5, 10.5

 

[joee12]

Wear numbers all look better with the Mobil 1. The only number that was worse was nitration. -Joe

 

[shortyb]

I wonder why the big TBN drop for RL2. It wasn't that much more milage (700) and his track run was shorter, 170 vs 250. Also the oxidation was almost twice that of the RL1 sample. Any thoughts?

 

[Spector]

Based upon analysis results the M1 seems to do a better job of protecting in this particular engine and driving condition. What did Terry say?

 

[Idrinkmotoroil]

Thanks for the great info. If possible could you do a sample next with Mobil1 and a track day on it. That would be very good info. to compare, as I am sure a track day surely skews the results somewhat. I may be wrong, but the only way to find out is to try the Mobil1 on an interval with a track date included.

I'm gonna run Redline on my 2002 Civic SiR very shortly , but I hope to analyze it before and after my next track event. crossing my fingers.

BTW, the composition of Redline base stocks skews the TBN and oxidation/nitrations numbers from what we have seen. Estimates of these specs on Redline oil have been found to be very inaccurate from most testing companies. I can't remember the exact reason but it has to do with the chemical composition of the Redline base stocks.

thanks

Joey

[ April 04, 2003, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Idrinkmotoroil ]

 

[buster]

If you were to look at these two oils spec sheets you would think the RL would outperform M1, but this just proves that there is much more to it.

 

[Terry]

I told him to stick with the Redline because of the road racing. The wear values are still well within a low range for the Acura 1.8l engine.

Oil flow issues in lateral g may be an issue here casued by restriction or burping of filter in race conditions.

 

[jond]

These results are simular to what my Type-R got when I switched to redline. Around 2-3 times as much wear. I'm staying away from it...

 

[Paul]

Buster...

The M1 interval/analysis did not include any track days. In my opinnion, an engine that's wrung out to 8400rpm for over 150 miles will show more wear than usual.

If that's taken into consideration, I think those RL results look wonderful.

-Paul

 

[TooSlick]

The numbers for Redline should have stabilized with the second sample you took. Since the engine has low mileage, they should be going down as well.

I'd go back to Mobil 1, 5w30 and sample the second batch you run. I think you'll see the wear rates drop back to their previous levels. Mobil 1 is just working better in this application ....

TooSlick

 

[Idrinkmotoroil]

Tooslick, in this case I really think one has to run a drain interval of Redline without a track day, or a drain interval of Mobil1 with a track day to get any comparative numbers. If not the results aren't that comparable IMO.

So lets see one more UOA of either one !

 

[pyromaster]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. The next time I was planning to do a track day is in August (stupid $$$ constraints) so I'll make it a point to drain and analyze my current Redline before I put it on track. That way we'll see how it looks with just street driving compared to M1

 

[Idrinkmotoroil]

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Originally posted by pyromaster:
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. The next time I was planning to do a track day is in August (stupid $$$ constraints) so I'll make it a point to drain and analyze my current Redline before I put it on track. That way we'll see how it looks with just street driving compared to M1

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Excellent idea, looking forward to seeing the results. If Redline doesn't look any better after the next sample on street driving then it will be hard to defend.


Joey

 

[pyromaster]

I use the OEM Honda filter. I've used this filter type since I bought the car so it's the same type on all 3 analysis.

I'm actually starting to look at some other filter options as well to see if there's something that flows better on track

 

[Idrinkmotoroil]

quote:

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Originally posted by pyromaster:
I use the OEM Honda filter. I've used this filter type since I bought the car so it's the same type on all 3 analysis.

I'm actually starting to look at some other filter options as well to see if there's something that flows better on track

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my guess is that the flow of Honda filters is about as good as you can get, as designed for your engine. I think you run the risk of getting filters that flow less than the OEM filter once you venture into the aftermarket. My only suggestion is the HAMP filter, which is a Honda filter that many use for race/track situations, and reportedly used by Spoon Sports in their racing activities, check them out as listed at

http://www.inlinefour.com/honhamoilfil.html

Joey

[ April 07, 2003, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: Idrinkmotoroil ]

 

[pyromaster]

Yes
Hamp is one of the ones I'm considering. Here's an interesting oil filter review by North Texas Prelude Owners if you're interested

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Just curious what oil filter you use?

Like Terry and others said...This has more miles and a lot of track time. The M1 had no track time.

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Didn't see this mentioned here or the other thread...but shouldn't oil temps be an issue here when road racing? I'm guessing, if it does not have an oil cooler, temps could get up to 250F or more. Do you have a cooler or at least a temp guage? If not, wouldn't a 10w40 or 5w40 be in order here? Because at those temps a 30wt would essentially turn to a 10wt.

 

[Idrinkmotoroil]

the ITR's have an oil to water cooler from the factory, they aren't too bad. I've seen oil temps exceeding 280 degrees on some Hondas at track events when running hard, so track miles can be pretty hard on an oil which makes it hard for comparisons.

 

[RC211V]

Do DC2 GSRs have a oil cooler? I don't have a gauge but I have been meaning to get one.

Do you have a oil temp. gauge, Idrink?