Redline 5-30 3348 miles Dakota 4.7 Issues

Motorbike · Jan 9, 2005

I think I'd be using a dino right now but I " know " I'd be using a API oil if I was using the reports to help get a warranty repair . JMO

I read on another forum where owners with Hemi's are even having a hard time getting broken valve springs replaced under warranty. If true , whatta company

Gary Allan · Jan 10, 2005

I wonder if you can use one of the sandwich oil/water oil coolers? I don't know if the Dakota offers enough room for them. Mopar doesn't sell them anymore ..but they do offer a different one (allegedly) on the Carvans with the tow package. It sure would warm the oil faster as long as the trip duration gets the coolant up to temp. It did wonders for my son's fuel economy while using 40weight dino in these sub freezing temps. I would imagine that it would greatly reduce the moisture content of any sump in less time than it normally would occur.

buster · Jan 10, 2005

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I read on another forum where owners with Hemi's are even having a hard time getting broken valve springs replaced under warranty. If true , whatta company

I've been following this too. Not good. Typical DC. I won't be keeping my truck for more then 2 years thats for sure! My uncle has one though with 60,000 miles, trouble free.

jeremiah2360 · Jan 10, 2005

rp I have a part time 4x4 3.55 open diff auto. Been getting about 14 this winter. Lots of stop and go on the commute to work kills my miliage. I got 21 mpg once, 65mph, no traffic, 60 mile trip in the summer.

Just came back from looking under my oil fill cap. About half the cap was covered with a thin film of watery brown stuff, the baffle had a bit of yellow snot, along with some trailing into the pvc valve and a little in the fill body. Wasn`t surprised. I remove my clutch fan in the winter and rely on the electric fan with a thermostatic switch set at about 200(if the switch fails the pcm will still turn it on at 220). Maybe not having a constant breeze from the clutch fan helps

Good luck with the next sample, wish you didn`t go with the Redline though.

rpwilliams · Jan 10, 2005

I've been a die hard Mopar owner all my life. My dad has always owned them and everyone on my mom's side does also. This is due to every male on her side working for Chrysler. Lately, their lack of customer service has been making me think twice. Its not even a problem with the dealers. They tend to side with me, and their patience and attention have been excellent. Maybe I should just rebuild my old 225 slant six from high school, drop it in a nice old '60s or '70s pickup, and never worry about another vehicle again.

jeremiah2360 · Jan 11, 2005

I would contact Terry. The Iron-Aluminum(piston scuff?), Sodium-Potassium(headgasket?) readings would scare me. They are out of line with other 4.7s analysis. Type in 4.7 in the search engine and see for yourself. Hopefully he would tell you your fine and not to listen to hacks like me

rpwilliams · Jan 11, 2005

Here's the results from Saturday's sample:

Oil - Redline 5w30
Miles on truck - 7037
Miles on oil - 4037

Miscellaneous
A/F - N
Fuel - N
H2O - N

Infrared Analysis
Soot - 22
Oxidation - 36
Nitration - 65
Sulfur - 0

Wear Metals(PPM)
Copper - 6
Iron - 49
Chrome - 3
Aluminum - 14
Silicon - 12
Lead - 0
Sodium - 50
Tin - 0
Nickel - 2
Barium - 1
Silver - 0
Zinc - 1250
Boron - 0
Calcium - 2495
Phosphor - 1179
Magnesium - 11
Potasium - 5
Molybendum - 528
Titanium - 0
Vanadium - 0

Lab Comments
- All readings within acceptable limits
- No antifreeze detected in this sample

rpwilliams · Jan 11, 2005

WHOOPS!! I forgot, the viscosity is at 60 in the above sample.

I thought I might throw this in here for you guys. This is a sample I had the lab do on some brand new Redline 5w30. I had them do this when I started using Redline in my cars, so I could compare the additives.

Oil - NEW Redline 5w30

Miscellaneous
A/F - N
Fuel - N
H2O - N

Infrared Analysis
Soot - 0
Oxidation - 0
Nitration - 0
Sulfur - 0

Wear Metals(PPM)
Copper - 0
Iron - 2
Chrome - 0
Aluminum - 7
Silicon - 13
Lead - 0
Sodium - 21
Tin - 0
Nickel - 0
Barium - 0
Silver - 0
Zinc - 1580
Boron - 0
Calcium - 3110
Phosphor - 1530
Magnesium - 8
Potasium - 1
Molybendum - 586
Titanium - 0
Vanadium - 0

Particle Counts(per Milliliter)
5U - 1846
10U - 514
15U - 197
20U - 91
25U - 47
50U - 5
75U - 0
100U- 0
ISO - 18/15

rpwilliams · Jan 11, 2005

Again, I forgot the viscosity on the new Redline was 60.

rpwilliams · Jan 12, 2005

I'm going to keep sampling every 1000 miles to monitor the situation. If I see any disturbing trends then I'll act. Remember, the iron, aluminum, sodium, & potassium, are all elements that appear in Redline. The excessive sodium & potassium are also remnents of the H2O boiling off. Both the cooling system & all 8 cylinders' compression have been tested, ruling out the head gasket. The iron & aluminum bother me, but I remind myself that this is a brand new engine, it is probably just "break in". If the oil still tends to break down at 3000 - 4000 miles, then I plan on switching back to standard Castrol 5w30 and use the E.P.Lube additive, as I did on my previous vehicles. The only reason I switched to Redline is my excessive driving requirements caused me to be changing oil every 3-4 weeks. With Redline I was getting 10,000 miles to a change in my Dodge Avenger ES.

rpwilliams · Feb 19, 2005

Sorry it's been a while folks, but I've been too busy. Here's the latest sample.

Oil - Redline 5w30
Miles on truck - 9267
Miles on oil - 2230

Miscellaneous
A/F - N
Fuel - N
H2O - N
Viscosity - 56.0

Infrared Analysis
Soot - 22
Oxidation - 29
Nitration - 49
Sulfur - 0

Wear Metals(PPM)
Copper - 2
Iron - 29
Chrome - 2
Aluminum - 16
Silicon - 9
Lead - 0
Sodium - 24
Tin - 0
Nickel - 1
Barium - 1
Silver - 0
Zinc - 1352
Boron - 0
Calcium - 2672
Phosphor - 1283
Magnesium - 15
Potasium - 3
Molybendum - 562
Titanium - 0
Vanadium - 0

Lab Comments
- Readings have improved
- Sodium possible additive or coolant contamination, monitor
- No water detected in this sample

PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR THOUGHTS/OPINIONS!!

THANKS

'03 EB/B Corvette Z06 · Feb 19, 2005

Spend the $20 small one's and have Terry look at your oil report. Well worth the money!

Santo Fontana · Feb 20, 2005

IMO you could get more info out of these uoas if you used a more conventional oil.

I wouldnt be surprised if D-C blames the problem on redline when you present your findings to them.

Jay · Feb 20, 2005

I'm curious about your viscosity readings. When you say 56 or 60, is that SUS @ 210F, or is it Cst @ 40C?

MolaKule · Feb 21, 2005

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I'm curious about your viscosity readings. When you say 56 or 60, is that SUS @ 210F, or is it Cst @ 40C?

That those ridiculous SUS viscosites Blackstone insists on using.

It appears he has a rusting problem. Does this vehicle sit a lot between drives or does it only get driven very short distances without warmup?

I would certainly like to see how much acid buildup is going on via the Tbn, since the calcium seems to becomne depleted rather quickly.

3100 ppm of Calcium is about right for a new oil.

rpwilliams · Feb 27, 2005

Both Redline & my owner's manual say that the Redline meets DC's specs. I'm going to do an NOA on Mopar's 5w30 to compare the additive packages.

The viscosity readings are cSt @ 40C

I drive 37 miles to work 5 days a week, all highway. I should have bought a VW diesel.

Brons2 · Mar 1, 2005

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Originally posted by rpwilliams:

I drive 37 miles to work 5 days a week, all highway. I should have bought a VW diesel.

37 miles a day and it's still foaming? That seems like more than enough time to get things nice and warm.

bulwnkl · Mar 2, 2005

SEND IN A VIRGIN SAMPLE OF THE REDLINE!

I'm very sorry to yell. My Caterpillar lab here does not know what they're looking at with RedLine unless I send them in a sample of new stuff out of the bottle to look at. I strongly recommend you do that. It won't fix whatever is wrong with an engine design, but at least you'll have good numbers to look at instead of WAG estimates.

rpwilliams · Mar 4, 2005

If you scroll back up and look at my post from January 11, 2005 12:36 PM, you will find a virgin sample of new Redline that I had done... Just read the post.

Actually, I did some calculations to check my fuel economy in that truck and I found that I am driving an average of 68.88 miles per day, every day. Due to where I live almost all of it is highway.

bulwnkl · Mar 6, 2005

Quite right. I lost track of it having been sent in beforehand. My apologies.

Redline 5-30 3348 miles Dakota 4.7 Issues

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