Redline 10W-30, 6037mi., Mazda 626 4 cyl

[White Fang]

2001 Mazda 626 2.0L 4 cyl engine
All city driving, Blackstone labs analysis.
Oil filter was a K&N. This was the 2nd batch of Redline in the car.
6,037 miles on oil, 44,980 on the car.

Al 4
Cr 1
Fe 12
Cu 14
Sn 3
Mo 447
K 4
B 10
Si 11
Na 19
Ca 2233
Mg 8
P 1005
Zn 1163


SUS Vis @ 210 68.4
Flashpoint 380
Fuel 0.5
Antifreeze 0
Water 0
Insolubiles 0.5
TBN 0.0

 

[benjamming]

You mention all city driving. How long did it take you accumulate this mileage?

 

[White Fang]

The oil was in for 8 months. From Aug 8, 2004 to April 8, 2005. I live in the Chicago area.

 

[fuel tanker man]

TBN 0.0??

Well, I'm sure you'll just have to keep running Redline oil until the TBN's start to come up a bit. Three or four changes, or until your engine disintegrates--whichever comes first.

REDLINE IS GOOD OIL~!!

REDLINE IS GOOD OIL~!!

REDLINE IS GOOD OIL~!!

 

[buster]

What about Pb? TBN of 0? Shouldn't be that low unless they simply can't read RL.

 

[qship1996]

pathetic! lets not hear the usual excuses of "it must be cleaning",needs an Auto-Rx treatment.because the engine MUST be dirty,with all those 45,000 miles on it-maybe we need to throw some lube-control and fuel power in there to let the oil do its job of lubricating,etc!

 

[TAG97]

What did Blackstone labs have to say?

 

[sully]

These low TBN readings for Redline oil after a moderate OCI just don't make sense.

 

[fuel tanker man]

Check the archives on UOA's with Redline. It's pretty much the norm for this oil to poop out at around 6000 miles in most engines. TBN's are typically very low, though I will say this is the first "double zero" I've seen on any oil.

 

[Jay]

It looks like the short-trip/cold winter driving took it's toll on the oil. It thickened about 10% and the TBN gave up. This report would probably look better if you could get the oil up to temp once in a while.

 

[White Fang]

We had a snowy winter. A lot of the driving was in snow.

 

[qship1996]

cleaning what? the oil was put in an engine with 39,000 original miles on it,and this is the second Redline interval-TBN of zero point zero is shot oil period! too many excuses here about redlines poor performance in some engines..........

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Brilliant comments.

So what was Mobil-1's problem? OAI TBN of 5 equal to about 2-3 on Blackstone after less time and less miles(3500). The M1 interval also had almost twice the iron wear, despite the lower time and mileage.

 

[qship1996]

jason,where do you see a report on this specific engine using mobil 1? I searched,and the only one I could find was his previous redline analysis,which also had a dismal TBN?

 

[fuel tanker man]

The previous OCI was Redline again...
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001802;p=1#000003

And according to that post, Pennzoil prior to that.

The first UOA of Redline doesn't show high wear metals which would be commensurate with the fabled "cleaning" which Redline afficianados commonly refer to--so this engine wasn't sludged; the Pennzoil had done well it would appear.

The TBN was .5 (one half!) on that shorter run of Redline (just over 4K).

There's no mention of Mobil being used in this engine, so I'm not sure where that came from.

No, the Redline isn't cleaning I wouldn't think.

It didn't do a bad job at keeping the wear metals moderated in this engine, though I think that based on recent UOA's of Pennzoil and Havoline dino oils show that either of these "less-assuming" oils would have likely protected the engine better. And for about 20% of the cost.

(folks... the emperor has no clothes!

)

Dan

 

[Mamala Bay]

By looking at the results, White Fang has stated there was a lot of snow and very wet conditions.

From what I understand, H2O + POA = an Acidic Oxidizing enviroment. It is breaking the oxygen molecules in the POA.

Mostly city driving and no burn off of the H2O. Note the low levels of Moly which is basically keeping this oil from having worse wear.

This base is shot, H2O in the POA is exhuasted and the Moly is keeping the oil from any further extreme wear. This was an 8 month run in a very wet enviroment.

I don't think if there was 4,000 miles or 8,000 miles...an 8 month run in that snowy wet enviroment, the POA base has broken down. Redline is TIME duration in certain conditions regardless of miles....H2O breaks up the POA base.

 

[buster]

Regarding H20, it's the Polyolesters that are not good with moisture. Other then that I do not know. The report is good other then the TBN but the oil could have life left still. Again, some oils shine in different cars under different conditions. RL is clearly not my oil of choice for a daily driver. I've tried to look past some of the UOA's but for the $ and now availability issues, I'll look elswhere.

 

[JohnBrowning]

White Fang could you try running M1EP 10W30 under the same conditions. I would love to see how M1 holds up to 8 months includeing winter and city driveing!!! 6037 miles of city driveing is hard on oil any oil! The winter driveing makes it even worse. I am going to gues that Terry is going to recomend a 5W30 next time and some type of FP/LC regime. It would be nice to see how this car does without those on M1EP 10W30.

Fuel tanker man,I would love to see lesser oils like the dino oil you recomend last 8 months includeing hard cold winter with 6037 miles of city driveing!!

It is also fairly accepted that Redline takes at least 3 runs prior to UOA to get a good reading! It is also a fact that TPE will clean out an engine! TPE is used to sweeten oils in Locomotive engines and power plants amoung other things. It is especialy used to clean out dirty systems. TPE is has excellent solvency and is very polar!

We also know that Redline is good at a TBN of 1-2 and that Blackstones TBN method is 1-2 points lower then everyone else! So this means that Rdline can be safely run down to a TBN of 0 by BlackStones method and still be just fine!

I think the oil did a good job under the conditions it was used under! I was able to tear M1R a new arse hole in 6 months time with only 3500 mile on it! So the conditions the oil is used under play just as big of a role as anything else!

P.S. When was the last time you ran Redline 3 times and did a UOA to compare to your low dollar dino recomendations! My point is that you have not even tried it and you are bad mouthing it! I at least tried a 0W30 oil!

 

[White Fang]

I had Terry analyze the report and I don't think he would mind me saying that he feels the Redline is still using itself up cleaning the engine. Under the Blackstone scale the oil still has plenty of residual TAN he says.

 

[TooSlick]

What was the concentration of Pb in this analysis?

Other bearing wear looks high, which would coincide the the TBN depletion....

TS