Red line Vs Amsoil cleaning power
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For PU in Canada, you're going to be stuck with NAPA and their ridiculous prices or finding a SOPUS distributor.
Originally Posted By: toys
take a trip to the U.S. and to some walmarts.not all stores have
it but i found PU jugs for around 27 bucks U.S.
i'm using it right now and so far i am very impressed by it's cold start properties.
What about the cleaning power that they say ?
I'm looking for it just for this reason, I have some varnish in the engine that I want dissolve.
take a trip to the U.S. and to some walmarts.not all stores have
it but i found PU jugs for around 27 bucks U.S.
i'm using it right now and so far i am very impressed by it's cold start properties.
What about the cleaning power that they say ?
I'm looking for it just for this reason, I have some varnish in the engine that I want dissolve.
Originally Posted By: Mephy
Originally Posted By: toys
take a trip to the U.S. and to some walmarts.not all stores have
it but i found PU jugs for around 27 bucks U.S.
i'm using it right now and so far i am very impressed by it's cold start properties.
What about the cleaning power that they say ?
I'm looking for it just for this reason, I have some varnish in the engine that I want dissolve.
How well an oil cleans up deposits depends in what the deposits consist of.
As far as the cleaning ability of pu it's among the best you can buy however if it's just a light layer if varnish I wouldn't worry much to be honest.
If your car calls for a 20 grade go and buy pyb 5w-30 and substitute a quart of mmo/seafoam or something and run a shorter interval of like 3000kms then change filter and oil and use the oil of choice whether it's amsoil or pennzoil ultra or redline and don't sweat it.
The flush run should clean up everything thick and the straight oil run will get the rest.
Originally Posted By: toys
take a trip to the U.S. and to some walmarts.not all stores have
it but i found PU jugs for around 27 bucks U.S.
i'm using it right now and so far i am very impressed by it's cold start properties.
What about the cleaning power that they say ?
I'm looking for it just for this reason, I have some varnish in the engine that I want dissolve.
How well an oil cleans up deposits depends in what the deposits consist of.
As far as the cleaning ability of pu it's among the best you can buy however if it's just a light layer if varnish I wouldn't worry much to be honest.
If your car calls for a 20 grade go and buy pyb 5w-30 and substitute a quart of mmo/seafoam or something and run a shorter interval of like 3000kms then change filter and oil and use the oil of choice whether it's amsoil or pennzoil ultra or redline and don't sweat it.
The flush run should clean up everything thick and the straight oil run will get the rest.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Mephy
Originally Posted By: toys
take a trip to the U.S. and to some walmarts.not all stores have
it but i found PU jugs for around 27 bucks U.S.
i'm using it right now and so far i am very impressed by it's cold start properties.
What about the cleaning power that they say ?
I'm looking for it just for this reason, I have some varnish in the engine that I want dissolve.
How well an oil cleans up deposits depends in what the deposits consist of.
As far as the cleaning ability of pu it's among the best you can buy however if it's just a light layer if varnish I wouldn't worry much to be honest.
If your car calls for a 20 grade go and buy pyb 5w-30 and substitute a quart of mmo/seafoam or something and run a shorter interval of like 3000kms then change filter and oil and use the oil of choice whether it's amsoil or pennzoil ultra or redline and don't sweat it.
The flush run should clean up everything thick and the straight oil run will get the rest.
It's just a light layer I just want see the engine more shine.
I use Amsoil because I do long drains and it does very good job for what I need.
Originally Posted By: Mephy
Originally Posted By: toys
take a trip to the U.S. and to some walmarts.not all stores have
it but i found PU jugs for around 27 bucks U.S.
i'm using it right now and so far i am very impressed by it's cold start properties.
What about the cleaning power that they say ?
I'm looking for it just for this reason, I have some varnish in the engine that I want dissolve.
How well an oil cleans up deposits depends in what the deposits consist of.
As far as the cleaning ability of pu it's among the best you can buy however if it's just a light layer if varnish I wouldn't worry much to be honest.
If your car calls for a 20 grade go and buy pyb 5w-30 and substitute a quart of mmo/seafoam or something and run a shorter interval of like 3000kms then change filter and oil and use the oil of choice whether it's amsoil or pennzoil ultra or redline and don't sweat it.
The flush run should clean up everything thick and the straight oil run will get the rest.
It's just a light layer I just want see the engine more shine.
I use Amsoil because I do long drains and it does very good job for what I need.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Red line in not an extended drain oil. Amsoil signature is. Have you done any oil analysis on your 20k runs?
In my view neither of these are long drains oils despite cleaning power claimed in their own right.
If long drains intervals were only subject to the properties and attributes of the oil then the OEMs would simply change the lubricant recommendation.
Increasing the sump capacity seems to be the biggest the factor consideration by OEMs other than monitoring of oil temperature, time on the road etc.
Where the OEM has not provided long life monitoring systems, the laymen auto engineer needs to 2nd guess using UOA's which are another expense to analysis expensive oils to extend the time toxic concentrations of byproducts are permitted to circulate within the engine before these become detrimental to the engine.
Long drain can be done, its easier to stick with OEM recommendations IMO unless you have the time and are absolutely passionate about minimising the use of scare resources such as oil or running a business and time of high mileage vehicles for off road for servicing etc is critical.
Red line in not an extended drain oil. Amsoil signature is. Have you done any oil analysis on your 20k runs?
In my view neither of these are long drains oils despite cleaning power claimed in their own right.
If long drains intervals were only subject to the properties and attributes of the oil then the OEMs would simply change the lubricant recommendation.
Increasing the sump capacity seems to be the biggest the factor consideration by OEMs other than monitoring of oil temperature, time on the road etc.
Where the OEM has not provided long life monitoring systems, the laymen auto engineer needs to 2nd guess using UOA's which are another expense to analysis expensive oils to extend the time toxic concentrations of byproducts are permitted to circulate within the engine before these become detrimental to the engine.
Long drain can be done, its easier to stick with OEM recommendations IMO unless you have the time and are absolutely passionate about minimising the use of scare resources such as oil or running a business and time of high mileage vehicles for off road for servicing etc is critical.
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Originally Posted By: Mephy
It's just a light layer I just want see the engine more shine.
Take it to the Critic and he'll whip out his rotary polisher and get you in order in no time.
It's just a light layer I just want see the engine more shine.
Take it to the Critic and he'll whip out his rotary polisher and get you in order in no time.
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Except he's in Canada. Ironically, Amsoil and Red Line are far easier to obtain up here than PU.
Red Line is at plenty of speed shops and Amsoil is no biggie to find.
Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Oh please. Do explain this tidbit of comedy.
Redline is a DI-ester and pao. Esters clean wonderfully and without requiring any detergent additive so share your wisdom please.
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Oh please. Do explain this tidbit of comedy.
Redline is a DI-ester and pao. Esters clean wonderfully and without requiring any detergent additive so share your wisdom please.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Oh please. Do explain this tidbit of comedy.
Redline is a DI-ester and pao. Esters clean wonderfully and without requiring any detergent additive so share your wisdom please.
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Oh please. Do explain this tidbit of comedy.
Redline is a DI-ester and pao. Esters clean wonderfully and without requiring any detergent additive so share your wisdom please.
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
You don't use expensive oils to clean an engine. I know that's assumption on my part. Who would even do that? This goes way back to Terry Dyson discussions.
If the engine is dirty enough to clean, do the Amsoil flush, then short intervals with a low cost HDEO and MMO for 2-3X at say 1000-2000 mile intervals. This should loosen the heavy stuff. Then Amsoil flush again. Then another short interval.
Not an advocate of flushes personally (have used a sump full of kerosene on my first car which was full of sludge), but Pablo's recommendation is sound.
Oils can hold a certain amount of varnish, and when they are "full", and new varnish gets plated out, typically in cooler areas.
To get rid of it, you need to use new oil, and let it absorb as much as it can, and get it out before new stuff drops out.
Only way to do this (*) is frequent changes with oils with reasonable polarity...most cost effective way is to use HDMO...most expensive way is to use esters...POA and GrIII don't have inherent solvency for varnishes etc.
There ARE other ways :
* cellulose depth media can strip it from the oil while the oil collects it from existing deposits without changing the lubricant.
* there are electrostatic devices that will pull the varnish out of the oil, allowing it to pick up and carry varnish
* there are ion exchange media that will strip the varnish out of the oil, allowing it to clean up deposits.
These are typically only available industrially on big circulating plant...short OCIs on engines make more sense.
You don't use expensive oils to clean an engine. I know that's assumption on my part. Who would even do that? This goes way back to Terry Dyson discussions.
If the engine is dirty enough to clean, do the Amsoil flush, then short intervals with a low cost HDEO and MMO for 2-3X at say 1000-2000 mile intervals. This should loosen the heavy stuff. Then Amsoil flush again. Then another short interval.
Not an advocate of flushes personally (have used a sump full of kerosene on my first car which was full of sludge), but Pablo's recommendation is sound.
Oils can hold a certain amount of varnish, and when they are "full", and new varnish gets plated out, typically in cooler areas.
To get rid of it, you need to use new oil, and let it absorb as much as it can, and get it out before new stuff drops out.
Only way to do this (*) is frequent changes with oils with reasonable polarity...most cost effective way is to use HDMO...most expensive way is to use esters...POA and GrIII don't have inherent solvency for varnishes etc.
There ARE other ways :
* cellulose depth media can strip it from the oil while the oil collects it from existing deposits without changing the lubricant.
* there are electrostatic devices that will pull the varnish out of the oil, allowing it to pick up and carry varnish
* there are ion exchange media that will strip the varnish out of the oil, allowing it to clean up deposits.
These are typically only available industrially on big circulating plant...short OCIs on engines make more sense.
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Clevy and I have mentioned time and time again on the board (and in this thread) about the difficulty in getting Pennzoil Ultra and its high price in Canada, and I'm a pretty big SOPUS user. Heck, I do a pile of business with Shell Canada itself.
I can buy Amsoil off the shelf tomorrow at about 60% of the price of PU; that's not even from Pablo or as a preferred customer, that's retail. I can go to the speed shop tomorrow and buy Red Line for the same as PU. I can buy Motul for the same price as PU.
Do you have any idea what PU costs up here? I can think of only three places where it's available. It's at NAPA for $71 a jug. It can be found at some Shell gas stations for exorbitant prices. It can be found at SOPUS distributors that are allowed to sell Pennzoil-Quaker State products (at a likely much better price, but there are only one or two per province).
So, what should Mephy do? I'm asking all the PU proponents here. I see a few options. You pick one and suggest it to him. Should he:
1) Go to NAPA and pay $71 for a jug of Pennzoil Ultra?
2) Go to several Shell gas stations to find enough for an oil change and pay at least $15 a litre?
3) Go on a road trip throughout Ontario on a fools errand to find which SOPUS distributor has the rights to Pennzoil-Quaker State products?
4) Go on a different road trip down south with the hope of finding a U.S. Walmart that hasn't scrapped the product?
5) None of the above because they're all idiotic?
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Clevy and I have mentioned time and time again on the board (and in this thread) about the difficulty in getting Pennzoil Ultra and its high price in Canada, and I'm a pretty big SOPUS user. Heck, I do a pile of business with Shell Canada itself.
I can buy Amsoil off the shelf tomorrow at about 60% of the price of PU; that's not even from Pablo or as a preferred customer, that's retail. I can go to the speed shop tomorrow and buy Red Line for the same as PU. I can buy Motul for the same price as PU.
Do you have any idea what PU costs up here? I can think of only three places where it's available. It's at NAPA for $71 a jug. It can be found at some Shell gas stations for exorbitant prices. It can be found at SOPUS distributors that are allowed to sell Pennzoil-Quaker State products (at a likely much better price, but there are only one or two per province).
So, what should Mephy do? I'm asking all the PU proponents here. I see a few options. You pick one and suggest it to him. Should he:
1) Go to NAPA and pay $71 for a jug of Pennzoil Ultra?
2) Go to several Shell gas stations to find enough for an oil change and pay at least $15 a litre?
3) Go on a road trip throughout Ontario on a fools errand to find which SOPUS distributor has the rights to Pennzoil-Quaker State products?
4) Go on a different road trip down south with the hope of finding a U.S. Walmart that hasn't scrapped the product?
5) None of the above because they're all idiotic?
Find a BITOGer that is south of you in the states and request he/she do some searching for it. Find out how much you can bring back before the authorities get their knickers in a wad, offer the BITOGer some money for his/her time gathering said products, and make a road trip to meet some new people. If I weren't 8 hours away from the border period, I'd do it.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Clevy and I have mentioned time and time again on the board (and in this thread) about the difficulty in getting Pennzoil Ultra and its high price in Canada, and I'm a pretty big SOPUS user. Heck, I do a pile of business with Shell Canada itself.
I can buy Amsoil off the shelf tomorrow at about 60% of the price of PU; that's not even from Pablo or as a preferred customer, that's retail. I can go to the speed shop tomorrow and buy Red Line for the same as PU. I can buy Motul for the same price as PU.
Do you have any idea what PU costs up here? I can think of only three places where it's available. It's at NAPA for $71 a jug. It can be found at some Shell gas stations for exorbitant prices. It can be found at SOPUS distributors that are allowed to sell Pennzoil-Quaker State products (at a likely much better price, but there are only one or two per province).
So, what should Mephy do? I'm asking all the PU proponents here. I see a few options. You pick one and suggest it to him. Should he:
1) Go to NAPA and pay $71 for a jug of Pennzoil Ultra?
2) Go to several Shell gas stations to find enough for an oil change and pay at least $15 a litre?
3) Go on a road trip throughout Ontario on a fools errand to find which SOPUS distributor has the rights to Pennzoil-Quaker State products?
4) Go on a different road trip down south with the hope of finding a U.S. Walmart that hasn't scrapped the product?
5) None of the above because they're all idiotic?
I think that I will give up to PU because as you said there is no good option.
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Clevy and I have mentioned time and time again on the board (and in this thread) about the difficulty in getting Pennzoil Ultra and its high price in Canada, and I'm a pretty big SOPUS user. Heck, I do a pile of business with Shell Canada itself.
I can buy Amsoil off the shelf tomorrow at about 60% of the price of PU; that's not even from Pablo or as a preferred customer, that's retail. I can go to the speed shop tomorrow and buy Red Line for the same as PU. I can buy Motul for the same price as PU.
Do you have any idea what PU costs up here? I can think of only three places where it's available. It's at NAPA for $71 a jug. It can be found at some Shell gas stations for exorbitant prices. It can be found at SOPUS distributors that are allowed to sell Pennzoil-Quaker State products (at a likely much better price, but there are only one or two per province).
So, what should Mephy do? I'm asking all the PU proponents here. I see a few options. You pick one and suggest it to him. Should he:
1) Go to NAPA and pay $71 for a jug of Pennzoil Ultra?
2) Go to several Shell gas stations to find enough for an oil change and pay at least $15 a litre?
3) Go on a road trip throughout Ontario on a fools errand to find which SOPUS distributor has the rights to Pennzoil-Quaker State products?
4) Go on a different road trip down south with the hope of finding a U.S. Walmart that hasn't scrapped the product?
5) None of the above because they're all idiotic?
I think that I will give up to PU because as you said there is no good option.
Basically, unless there's an actual Pennzoil-Quaker State distributor right near you, NAPA has a sale, or you hit the States regularly, you're out of luck unless you like paying top dollar. It's unfortunate, but that's the way the product is being marketed in Canada. Canadian Tire and Walmart Canada want absolutely nothing to do with the product; the latter has actually stated as much.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Clevy and I have mentioned time and time again on the board (and in this thread) about the difficulty in getting Pennzoil Ultra and its high price in Canada, and I'm a pretty big SOPUS user. Heck, I do a pile of business with Shell Canada itself.
I can buy Amsoil off the shelf tomorrow at about 60% of the price of PU; that's not even from Pablo or as a preferred customer, that's retail. I can go to the speed shop tomorrow and buy Red Line for the same as PU. I can buy Motul for the same price as PU.
Do you have any idea what PU costs up here? I can think of only three places where it's available. It's at NAPA for $71 a jug. It can be found at some Shell gas stations for exorbitant prices. It can be found at SOPUS distributors that are allowed to sell Pennzoil-Quaker State products (at a likely much better price, but there are only one or two per province).
So, what should Mephy do? I'm asking all the PU proponents here. I see a few options. You pick one and suggest it to him. Should he:
1) Go to NAPA and pay $71 for a jug of Pennzoil Ultra?
2) Go to several Shell gas stations to find enough for an oil change and pay at least $15 a litre?
3) Go on a road trip throughout Ontario on a fools errand to find which SOPUS distributor has the rights to Pennzoil-Quaker State products?
4) Go on a different road trip down south with the hope of finding a U.S. Walmart that hasn't scrapped the product?
5) None of the above because they're all idiotic?
Try buying off Amazon. You can get 6 quarts of Pennzoil Synthetic for under 50 bucks, sometimes just 40.
Look:
PP 5w-20
PU 5w-20
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Clevy and I have mentioned time and time again on the board (and in this thread) about the difficulty in getting Pennzoil Ultra and its high price in Canada, and I'm a pretty big SOPUS user. Heck, I do a pile of business with Shell Canada itself.
I can buy Amsoil off the shelf tomorrow at about 60% of the price of PU; that's not even from Pablo or as a preferred customer, that's retail. I can go to the speed shop tomorrow and buy Red Line for the same as PU. I can buy Motul for the same price as PU.
Do you have any idea what PU costs up here? I can think of only three places where it's available. It's at NAPA for $71 a jug. It can be found at some Shell gas stations for exorbitant prices. It can be found at SOPUS distributors that are allowed to sell Pennzoil-Quaker State products (at a likely much better price, but there are only one or two per province).
So, what should Mephy do? I'm asking all the PU proponents here. I see a few options. You pick one and suggest it to him. Should he:
1) Go to NAPA and pay $71 for a jug of Pennzoil Ultra?
2) Go to several Shell gas stations to find enough for an oil change and pay at least $15 a litre?
3) Go on a road trip throughout Ontario on a fools errand to find which SOPUS distributor has the rights to Pennzoil-Quaker State products?
4) Go on a different road trip down south with the hope of finding a U.S. Walmart that hasn't scrapped the product?
5) None of the above because they're all idiotic?
Try buying off Amazon. You can get 6 quarts of Pennzoil Synthetic for under 50 bucks, sometimes just 40.
Look:
PP 5w-20
PU 5w-20
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Oh please. Do explain this tidbit of comedy.
Redline is a DI-ester and pao. Esters clean wonderfully and without requiring any detergent additive so share your wisdom please.
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Hey new guy.
How bout you go read all my posts. You'll answer your own question.
Pennzoil ultra isn't cheaper here.
I've got nothing against additives that work
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
Please dont use either Amsoil or Redline. Use Pennzoil Ultra as suggested before if you want a very High Quality cleaning oil.
Oh please. Do explain this tidbit of comedy.
Redline is a DI-ester and pao. Esters clean wonderfully and without requiring any detergent additive so share your wisdom please.
Pennzoil is cheaper, and please tell me what you have against additives? Sure, DI-ester cleans well, but it costs alot.
Hey new guy.
How bout you go read all my posts. You'll answer your own question.
Pennzoil ultra isn't cheaper here.
I've got nothing against additives that work
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