Recommend me a 0w30

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Originally Posted By: Capa
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
Best 0W-30 for Texas IMO would be Castrol Edge (with Syntec) in the black bottle. This is the stuff made in Germany. I see it on sale once in a while for $5 or less/qt. Really in Texas, PP 5W-30 would be just fine. No need for a 0W-30.


But if the OP is worried that Mobil 0W-30 is slinky thicker than some 5W-30 and then someone needs totell him that Castro Edge 0W-30 is MUCH thicker than normal 5W-30 and Mobil's 0W-30.

Personally, I would use Mobil's 0W-30. I have tried it and it is an excellent oil and for this month Pep Boys has a coupon for 5 quarts of any Mobil synthetic and a true long OCI oil filter, Mobil EP for $30!!!


Hey thank you for bringing that to my attention, if that's the case ^^^^^ then what's the point of 0w30?
 
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: Capa
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
Best 0W-30 for Texas IMO would be Castrol Edge (with Syntec) in the black bottle. This is the stuff made in Germany. I see it on sale once in a while for $5 or less/qt. Really in Texas, PP 5W-30 would be just fine. No need for a 0W-30.


But if the OP is worried that Mobil 0W-30 is slinky thicker than some 5W-30 and then someone needs totell him that Castro Edge 0W-30 is MUCH thicker than normal 5W-30 and Mobil's 0W-30.

Personally, I would use Mobil's 0W-30. I have tried it and it is an excellent oil and for this month Pep Boys has a coupon for 5 quarts of any Mobil synthetic and a true long OCI oil filter, Mobil EP for $30!!!


Hey thank you for bringing that to my attention, if that's the case ^^^^^ then what's the point of 0w30?


Superior cold temperature performance. That's why the "W" in 0w-30 stands for "Winter"
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: Capa
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
Best 0W-30 for Texas IMO would be Castrol Edge (with Syntec) in the black bottle. This is the stuff made in Germany. I see it on sale once in a while for $5 or less/qt. Really in Texas, PP 5W-30 would be just fine. No need for a 0W-30.


But if the OP is worried that Mobil 0W-30 is slinky thicker than some 5W-30 and then someone needs totell him that Castro Edge 0W-30 is MUCH thicker than normal 5W-30 and Mobil's 0W-30.

Personally, I would use Mobil's 0W-30. I have tried it and it is an excellent oil and for this month Pep Boys has a coupon for 5 quarts of any Mobil synthetic and a true long OCI oil filter, Mobil EP for $30!!!


Hey thank you for bringing that to my attention, if that's the case ^^^^^ then what's the point of 0w30?


Superior cold temperature performance. That's why the "W" in 0w-30 stands for "Winter"
smile.gif


He may have been inquiring about the "30" part of it.
 
I had the 5.3 in my Saab 9-7x - I used M1 5w30 for the 4 years I owned the truck and 55K miles (~ 80K when sold)

The 5.3i with AFM is known to burn oil - which I had the problem but was able to get resolved with one of the TSB's

M1 seemed to work well in this application.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: Capa
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
Best 0W-30 for Texas IMO would be Castrol Edge (with Syntec) in the black bottle. This is the stuff made in Germany. I see it on sale once in a while for $5 or less/qt. Really in Texas, PP 5W-30 would be just fine. No need for a 0W-30.


But if the OP is worried that Mobil 0W-30 is slinky thicker than some 5W-30 and then someone needs totell him that Castro Edge 0W-30 is MUCH thicker than normal 5W-30 and Mobil's 0W-30.

Personally, I would use Mobil's 0W-30. I have tried it and it is an excellent oil and for this month Pep Boys has a coupon for 5 quarts of any Mobil synthetic and a true long OCI oil filter, Mobil EP for $30!!!


Hey thank you for bringing that to my attention, if that's the case ^^^^^ then what's the point of 0w30?


Superior cold temperature performance. That's why the "W" in 0w-30 stands for "Winter"
smile.gif



No no no, I understand what multigrade oils are and that 0w30,5w30,10w30 are all more or less the same when at operating temps, but when 0w30 is thicker at start up then some 5w30's then what's the point?
 
Originally Posted By: jimmy87

No no no, I understand what multigrade oils are and that 0w30,5w30,10w30 are all more or less the same when at operating temps, but when 0w30 is thicker at start up then some 5w30's then what's the point?


Well, it isn't common. It really only applies to GC, which is at the very top end of the 30-grade range. The "thinner on cold start" still applies with the oil, as it has exception cold temperature performance, but is thicker than the majority of xW-30 oils pretty much everywhere else because of its Euro-spec HTHS of >=3.5.

Other oils in this category are BMW's 5w-30, Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30, Fuchs GT1 5w-30, Fuchs 0w-30...etc. All Euro stuff where the applications routinely call for an oil with an HTHS >=3.5, so heavy 30's and 40's are the usual candidates.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
M1 0W-30 AFE is a very good oil.
Check the UOA forum for some empirical evidence.
This M1 and GC are the only widely available off the shelf 0W-30s offered in this country.
GC is an entirely different oil, intended for European applications that typically require a forty grade.
It meets various MB, VW and BMW requirements.
It has HTHSV of at least 3.5, while the M1 has HTHSV of more like 3.0, siginificantly lower.
It would not be as good a choice for your thirty grade spec engine as would the M1.
Mobil specifically recommends its 0W-30 AFE for all 5W-30 applications, AFAIK.


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For a good everyman's 0W-30 you can't beat M1 0W-30 - make it easy on yourself 6,000 miles / 6 months which ever comes first ...buy it at WM . When you get a Ferrari you can afford to be more picky .
 
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
For a good everyman's 0W-30 you can't beat M1 0W-30 - make it easy on yourself 6,000 miles / 6 months which ever comes first ...buy it at WM . When you get a Ferrari you can afford to be more picky .


Lol, very true! I got you just trying to justify 0w30, after all even 10w30 pp is thinner than m1 0w30 at start up.
 
I recommended the Castrol 0-30 only because he has the AFM, and as OP stated, they tend to use some oil. The thicker GC would be perfect for his truck in a Texas summer----but wait till it's on sale---the normal price (of any syn) is crazy.
You could probably limp along on Mobil-1 until you find the GC on sale
 
I've been running M1 0W-30 AFE in my 08 5.3L for the past 25K miles. Follow the OLM which is usually 5-7K miles in winter and 7-8K in summer conditions.
No noticeable oil consumption and engine is smooth and quiet.

I ran M1 5W30 Truck and SUV in it from new until they stopped making it 25K miles ago. Could tell no difference between the two oils in how the engine operates.
 
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
For a good everyman's 0W-30 you can't beat M1 0W-30 - make it easy on yourself 6,000 miles / 6 months which ever comes first ...buy it at WM . When you get a Ferrari you can afford to be more picky .


Lol, very true! I got you just trying to justify 0w30, after all even 10w30 pp is thinner than m1 0w30 at start up.


Only if your "start up" is 40 degrees Celcius
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61.7cSt to 62.9cSt. And of course 10.37 to 10.9 at operating temperature. They get closer as the temperature drops and then the numbers cross.

The specific gravity @15.6C is more telling, as the AFE is 0.842 vs 0.857 for the 10w-30, so by 15C, they've already crossed
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When we hit -30C, the PP 10w-30 is 10,200cP. Since visc roughly doubles for every 5 degrees, and the AFE 0w-30 doesn't hit 13,250cP until -40C, it would be roughly 3312cP at -30C, that's a pretty significant difference
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Originally Posted By: maketracks
Oh.. forgot about Castrol 0W-30.

Pack of 6 for $46.19 http://www.amazon.com/Castrol-06244-0W-3...ds=amsoil+0w-30

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Someone else mentioned the Toyota 0w20/M1 0w40 blend which also works well.
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And how much does the Toyota oil cost? And how available is it? Seems like it could be an inconvenience for some to get to Toyota dealer.


$7/qt, available at every dealership. If its an inconvenience, substitute Mobil 1 0w-20.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Only if your "start up" is 40 degrees Celcius
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61.7cSt to 62.9cSt. And of course 10.37 to 10.9 at operating temperature. They get closer as the temperature drops and then the numbers cross.

The specific gravity @15.6C is more telling, as the AFE is 0.842 vs 0.857 for the 10w-30, so by 15C, they've already crossed
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Overkill, I didn't know that the density of an oil was directly related to the viscosity of the oil. You also quoted three different physical measurements of the oil and 3 different units(40 and 100 are same measurement/unit @different temp). I'm surprised you didn't work in the HTHS.
 
Might be able to find it at an auto parts store, but probably not walmart. Last place i saw it was autozone and advanced auto parts.

Its a good choice, i think GC is still closer to 0w40 but still a great choice for a 5w30 or 10w30 application.
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Only if your "start up" is 40 degrees Celcius
wink.gif
61.7cSt to 62.9cSt. And of course 10.37 to 10.9 at operating temperature. They get closer as the temperature drops and then the numbers cross.

The specific gravity @15.6C is more telling, as the AFE is 0.842 vs 0.857 for the 10w-30, so by 15C, they've already crossed
smile.gif




Overkill, I didn't know that the density of an oil was directly related to the viscosity of the oil. You also quoted three different physical measurements of the oil and 3 different units(40 and 100 are same measurement/unit @different temp). I'm surprised you didn't work in the HTHS.


The 10w-30 actually has a higher HTHS, 3.1 vs 3.0
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Likely indicating less polymer I'd imagine.

But yes, the specific gravity, while not a viscosity measurement, does seem to correlate well with weight @ temp (which is why I bothered mentioning it).

M1 0w-20 is 0.841, 0w-30 is 0.842, 0w-40 is 0.85, 5w-40 is 0.85, V-Twin 10w-40 is 0.86, the 20w-50 is 0.87...etc.
 
Your vehicle will predate the dexos1 business. As far as I know, XOM will guarantee their 0w-30 for your application. Petro-Canada Supreme Synthetic 0w-30 also meets GM 6094M. "Easy to come by" may be an issue. Their are distributors south of the border, but availability may be patchy. For simplicity's sake and for that of availability, it would be hard to beat the M1.
 
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