China is the biggest car market in the world. Everyone does business there.
Real-time exposure of the challenges of EV use
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The issue with cooling batteries is much poorer delta T between ambient and the cooling fluid. Battery management systems tend to shut down to avoid abuse at 60-65C. Ambient can be 40C or higher. The delta is small compared to 103C cooling water.
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Virtually worthless metric if all they do is take chinesium parts and cobble them together.
That sort of setup hollows out the industrial base and supply chain while making people cheat thump about how their widget is made in USA.
A trojan horse.
That’s fine, but if it’s done stealing our tech and our jobs, then it’s treacherous. And a trojan horse of sorts.
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As I recall, some of the wiper, hvac, and power off settings were buried too deep for my liking.
I like to coast and conserve momentum. Not take a huge penalty on regen when I don’t need to. Even at low regen it was too aggressive for my liking. And the automatic slowing down and no clue if the brake lights were coming on was troubling. If I had to step on the actual brake, it would often be too aggressive and not able to temper it well because of too much regen.
I live recently where it makes sense. But if I can conserve momentum I’d prefer it. GM did great on the bolt by having a little regen paddle off the steering wheel.
Absolutely. The sad reality is if the airport place is crowded, especially in an airport, the airport rental places I rented from were jammed packed. In which case many people run out of patience real fast. That makes a bad situation worse, that was the point I was making. Now add to it a car charged to 25%, lookout. The EV is still not ready for prime time, and/or prime time rentals, jmo.
These are voice commands. Click the right button and say:
"Set the temp to 70". "My butt is cold" "Passenger's butt is cold." "2 strips of bacon"
Tesla voice commands for windshield wipers include:
"Turn on/off the wipers"
"Increase/decrease windshield wiper speed by..."
"Set wipers two"
"Turn windshield wipers (auto/on/off/medium/high)"
This is why I tell people these cars are different. There are no dials, buttons, etc like traditional cars. I understand Teslas can be frustrating. Been there, done that. This is another reason they may not make a good rental for many people.
Coasting requires holding the pedal steady; I do this to conserve battery. Again, different than other cars.
Trojan horse, marketing gimmick, it's all the same. Slap them together as cheap as possible. Tesla is no different than just about all the popular automakers.
Of course, but that's a big if.
I chose Cars.com because their ranking includes the origin of their components, and examined the impact of the entirety of the workforces that made the vehicles — from engineers to line workers — on the U.S. economy.
This was touched on earlier this morning. Assembled and made might sound the same but there is a difference. Tesla might assemble their electric motors in the US but where does all the components of those motors come from? That is the big unknown.
I suggest you look at the cars.com article from post #253. Procurement is a key metric.
From the article:
American-Made Index methodology
To create the American-Made Index, Cars.com analyzes five primary factors:- Location of final assembly
- Percentage of U.S. and Canadian parts
- Country of origin for available engines
- Country of origin for available transmissions
- U.S. manufacturing employees relative to the automaker’s footprint
The last one is a bit of fluff and feel good.
Who makes the headlight and taillight assemblies? The seating? Glass? So on and so forth. I doubt Tesla makes that stuff. They design it and lay out the specifications and another company makes it.
This is the unknown. MTMUS has lots of suppliers as well. Denso, DaikyoNishikawa, Vuteq and a lot more. Where do they get their components from?
The only people that know these answers are the CEO and those in procurement.
Actually, the last one is the most important to me. Re-opening the shuttered NUMMI plant was a key reason I bought the car.
Your questions regarding the supply chain are valid, but not just for Tesla.
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Read #246 … don’t care about FM - but do enjoy free radio of some kind
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Actually - I like talk radio with local advertising … Where the host actually knows the owners and mentions how they give back to the community …
I keep SXM for other things - and for dead spots on longer trips …
Music is the easiest to pipe these days …
It's 100% more meaningful than a mere opinion without any data.
I've complained about it many times in the past, but I noticed the specific issue I didn't agree with is no longer mentioned. Either they've taken steps to make the index more accurate.... Or they're just not saying. I don't which.
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