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I agree! I remember seeing a Hertz big wig on CNBC quite a while back bragging about all the EV's they are buying and their push to go green. Mind you little to no infrastructure in place to support the move. That's like diving head first into murky waters, a bad move in my opinion. People vote with their wallets and hopefully they send Hertz a message and rent a car elsewhere. That's how lessons are learned.
Not only infrastructure- but EVs require a different critical thinking skillset. This skillset might not be easily found in many rental car company employees.
 
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Not only infrastructure- but EVs require a different critical thinking skillset. This skillset might not be easily found in many rental car company employees.
For sure. Not the case of the OP but I would also question the skill set of some of the people renting an EV who never drove one before. Another potential nightmare for the rental company. How about a seminar on how to operate the EV, including charging it, etc. before letting the customer roll it off the lot. LOL big money and another nightmare. JMO
 
One tell here might be that Hertz has made promises to expand their EV fleet under pressure from outside forces but the demand is still in favor of ICE cars. So when vehicle shortages crop up the EVs are the only option available.

Another problem is renting a EV to someone who is not familiar with how they operate. One mistake and an accident occurs. Many will say that is what insurance is for but sometimes insurance doesn’t cover all the damage fees from the rental company like lost revenue for example.
 
For sure. Not the case of the OP but I would also question the skill set of some of the people renting an EV who never drove one before. Another potential nightmare for the rental company. How about a seminar on how to operate the EV, including charging it, etc. before letting the customer roll it off the lot. LOL big money and another nightmare. JMO
Last week I was given a TSLA Model 3 for a rental, and I was clueless. Much more involved than I speculated. It was quite the wake-up call that even though I was doing minimal driving distances, the Model 3 required to be charged every day of the rental.
 
Last week I was given a TSLA Model 3 for a rental, and I was clueless. Much more involved than I speculated. It was quite the wake-up call that even though I was doing minimal driving distances, the Model 3 required to be charged every day of the rental.
And you're a knowledgeable car enthusiast. Could you imagine Mom and Pop Kettle renting one because they want to try one, and go green for a week? Imagine a rental clerk trying to educating them, while a line of impatient car renters builds up? Not good!!
 
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Burnouts are wasteful no matter the drive train. And once one has done one or a few, it’s also kind of silly and juvenile.

We got over/past the instant speed in a few miles with the first model 3 we rented.

Bigger tires, if they affect the Wh/mi metric, are unwelcome in my book. EV has big enough issues with range and per mile efficiency given the recharge limitations, that anything impacting range is kind of unwelcome.

As a toy the high performance model 3 type car is a fun thought exercise. As a practical use of energy and resources, it’s wasteful if it reduces range.
I think that’s the issue I was referring to. I like having that power on tap when I want it, but I rarely drive like that. I’ve had a lot of performance cars though so I’m used to not just destroying the tires every time the light turns green. I’ll give up a small amount of range for more power, otherwise I might not even be interested in the car.

Actually that’s basically me as a car enthusiast, silly and juvenile. 😂
 
That woukd be really a shame. I thought the domestic Tesla cars were made with high domestic content.
Not as much as what they would like us to believe apparently. This part is on a US made car is made in China so It seems made in USA does not mean all parts used in its assembly or all parts for individual assemblies like the motor are made in USA.

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Not as much as what they would like us to believe apparently. This part is on a US made car is made in China so It seems made in USA does not mean all parts used in its assembly or all parts for individual assemblies like the motor are made in USA.


That’s why they say it’s assembled in the USA. Even the separate assemblies that say assembled in the USA don’t mean much. A windshield wiper motor can be assembled in the USA but with foreign parts.

There are vehicles that might say a high percentage of parts come from here in the US but that might be a stretch.
 
Last week I was given a TSLA Model 3 for a rental, and I was clueless. Much more involved than I speculated. It was quite the wake-up call that even though I was doing minimal driving distances, the Model 3 required to be charged every day of the rental.
I wouldn’t personally go that far.

The human factor engineering and user friendliness of the tablet and single stalk are poor. It may look cool, but it takes too much digging to get to various things. GM did much better with the bolt.

The forced one pedal driving in the Tesla was also annoying. GM did great with the user interface and behavior when driving. GM also added a regen paddle on the steering wheel which was excellent. I’m all for heavy regen, but the Tesla requires more care driving in heavy traffic, because the regen can be aggressive enough thst hitting the actual brakes is a concern. You need to gradually stop the person behind you after all, and may want to coast too…. The Bolt was far better In that regard.

GM made map and charger finding impossible, which is downright stupid. The Tesla approach to that is much better.

Like most things, there are pros and cons to everything. It was interesting to drive both and be able to compare/contrast.

Everything can be done through the menu on the Tesla tablet. You just need to find the function, and some are way too deeply embedded.
 
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I wouldn’t personally go that far.

The human factor engineering and user friendliness of the tablet and single stalk are poor. It may look cool, but it takes too much digging to get to various things. GM did much better with the bolt.

The forced one pedal driving in the Tesla was also annoying. GM did great with the user interface and behavior when driving. GM also added a regen paddle on the steering wheel which was excellent. I’m all for heavy regen, but the Tesla requires more care driving in heavy traffic, because the regen can be aggressive enough thst hitting the actual brakes is a concern. You need to gradually stop the person behind you after all, and may want to coast too…. The Bolt was far better In that regard.

GM made map and charger finding impossible, which is downright stupid. The Tesla approach to that is much better.

Like most things, there are pros and cons to everything. It was interesting to drive both and be able to compare/contrast.

Everything can be done through the menu on the Tesla tablet. You just need to find the function, and some are way too deeply embedded.
I couldn't figure out how to get to the AM radio on the TSLA. I found FM, but not AM. Bet most young adults could have found AM. But I could not....
 
I wouldn’t personally go that far.

The human factor engineering and user friendliness of the tablet and single stalk are poor. It may look cool, but it takes too much digging to get to various things. GM did much better with the bolt.

The forced one pedal driving in the Tesla was also annoying. GM did great with the user interface and behavior when driving. GM also added a regen paddle on the steering wheel which was excellent. I’m all for heavy regen, but the Tesla requires more care driving in heavy traffic, because the regen can be aggressive enough thst hitting the actual brakes is a concern. You need to gradually stop the person behind you after all, and may want to coast too…. The Bolt was far better In that regard.

GM made map and charger finding impossible, which is downright stupid. The Tesla approach to that is much better.

Like most things, there are pros and cons to everything. It was interesting to drive both and be able to compare/contrast.

Everything can be done through the menu on the Tesla tablet. You just need to find the function, and some are way too deeply embedded.
This is a learning issue and a key reason I tell people these cars are different. I rarely use the touchscreen; I use voice commands.
I also tell people these cars are not for everyone. Some people are not geared for the differences.
What commands were problematic? I would be curious... Also, the most common controls are placed across the bottom of the screen.
I would certainly agree that menu digging is the wrong thing to have to do while driving...

I am surprised you don't like 1-pedal driving; you can adjust it down by selecting "Low" under "Regenerative Braking" in the controls menu. This setting is more buried, but I believe you can search for it. Mine is on full regen.
 
One tell here might be that Hertz has made promises to expand their EV fleet under pressure from outside forces but the demand is still in favor of ICE cars. So when vehicle shortages crop up the EVs are the only option available.

Another problem is renting a EV to someone who is not familiar with how they operate. One mistake and an accident occurs. Many will say that is what insurance is for but sometimes insurance doesn’t cover all the damage fees from the rental company like lost revenue for example.
Seeing as they sold off their ICE fleet during COVID they didn't have to make promises to anyone. Expanding the fleet to include EV's makes for a good business decision by itself.
 
........But it’s not harmful as long as a cell isn’t allowed to go below 2V, and you can get the heat out.

Heat is generated as I^2 * R, so a battery with a resistance R, will generate heat with the square of discharge current. So a 10A discharge will make 100x the waste heat as a 1A discharge.

But if you can get the heat out, all is well.........
How do they get the heat out?
 
Seeing as they sold off their ICE fleet during COVID they didn't have to make promises to anyone. Expanding the fleet to include EV's makes for a good business decision by itself.


It does if the demand matches the size of the fleet. If the rental company is busy and all that is left for customers are EVs then that is telling me something.
 
It does if the demand matches the size of the fleet. If the rental company is busy and all that is left for customers are EVs then that is telling me something.
If the last car on the lot was a SUV would you be as willing to claim "SUV's aren't in demand"? I doubt it.
 
I couldn't figure out how to get to the AM radio on the TSLA. I found FM, but not AM. Bet most young adults could have found AM. But I could not....
Yes, I would agree. I stream AM radio. It is possible there is no direct AM radio; I will have to check.
 
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