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PF52 said:
I've complained about it many times in the past, but I noticed the specific issue I didn't agree with is no longer mentioned. Either they've taken steps to make the index more accurate.... Or they're just not saying. I don't which.
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You discounted the cars.com article I cited in #253 regarding "made in America" ranking and criterion used for their results.
Can you please explain a bit more clearly? Or perhaps provide support for your post #272?
I try and support the comments I make because "I think" or "they should" or "they will" posts are purely opinion.
Thanks!
 
JHZR2 said:
Virtually worthless metric if all they do is take chinesium parts and cobble them together.

That sort of setup hollows out the industrial base and supply chain while making people cheat thump about how their widget is made in USA.

A trojan horse.


That’s fine, but if it’s done stealing our tech and our jobs, then it’s treacherous. And a trojan horse of sorts.
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America did a good job of taking tech from the Brits and Germans. Stealing? Maybe.
 
You mean lessons in the design of the body and interior or maybe quality control, I don't think so. Transparency is not a Tesla strong point, but the deeper you dive it certainly does not not appear to a 100% made in the USA vehicle. How do you explain major suspension components with a made in China sticker. That is not taking lessons, that is just a sell out.
 
Trav said:
You mean lessons in the design of the body and interior or maybe quality control, I don't think so. Transparency is not a Tesla strong point, but the deeper you dive it certainly does not not appear to a 100% made in the USA vehicle. How do you explain major suspension components with a made in China sticker. That is not taking lessons, that is just a sell out.
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Nothing is. Dig into the percentage of parts content of any current vehicle. It has to be disclosed. There's a lot of Chinese content in vehicles you'd never expect. Look at the Buicks we have here with final assembly point of China. Show me the breakdown example of a car that actually has a high parts content and is assembled here. The number is likely much lower than you think. Most of the US parts content best examples I've seen are around 65% which is where Tesla lands. I'd be willing to bet most come from China otherwise. The only cars listed above them are the Mustang GT if it has a manual at 77% and the C8 Corvette at 72%. But yeah, get angry about a Chinese stamp. I'm not pleased about it, but Tesla is walking all over most in this regard. You find some weird hills to die on, especially when you're wrong.
 
Torrid said:
Nothing is. Dig into the percentage of parts content of any current vehicle. It has to be disclosed. There's a lot of Chinese content in vehicles you'd never expect. Look at the Buicks we have here with final assembly point of China. Show me the breakdown example of a car that actually has a high parts content and is assembled here. The number is likely much lower than you think. Most of the US parts content best examples I've seen are around 65% which is where Tesla lands. I'd be willing to bet most come from China otherwise. The only cars listed above them are the Mustang GT if it has a manual at 77% and the C8 Corvette at 72%. But yeah, get angry about a Chinese stamp. I'm not pleased about it, but Tesla is walking all over most in this regard. You find some weird hills to die on, especially when you're wrong.
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What am I wrong about? I am not dying on any hill. The point is Tesla is not this all American company JK and others claim it is. I did not mention any other makes and couldn't care less where they source parts. You need to get a grip on yourself and not yourself so worked up. LOL
 
Trav said:
What am I wrong about? I am not dying on any hill. The point is Tesla is not this all American company JK and others claim it is. I did not mention any other makes and couldn't care less where they source parts. You need to get a grip on yourself and not yourself so worked up. LOL
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No one is. Look at the parts content. That was my point. Tesla is on the higher end of parts content. Only 2 cars beat US parts content of the Model 3, unless facts don't matter.
 
Trav said:
You mean lessons in the design of the body and interior or maybe quality control, I don't think so. Transparency is not a Tesla strong point, but the deeper you dive it certainly does not not appear to a 100% made in the USA vehicle. How do you explain major suspension components with a made in China sticker. That is not taking lessons, that is just a sell out.
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I mean that whatever Tesla is doing, it's working. That's the numbers. Both in sales and American made ranking. Maybe you haven't noticed, but all the major car companies are copying and chasing Tesla both in products, business practices and especially results.

There is no such thing as a 100% American made mass produced vehicle.

If you don't like Teslas, don't buy one. I happen to be proud that America is leading the world in something again. Maybe you don't like this great American company, but that's your business. I salute their growth, hiring North American workers and building cars that people want.

According to Statista:

Tesla - Statistics & Facts​

Tesla ranked as the most valuable automotive brand worldwide as of June 2023 and within the fourteenth most valuable brands across all industries in 2022. That same year, Tesla led the battery-electric vehicle market in sales.

So yeah, Tesla is doing something right and everyone is chasing them. That's the numbers, not opinion.
That's what I mean.
 
Trav said:
What am I wrong about? I am not dying on any hill. The point is Tesla is not this all American company JK and others claim it is. I did not mention any other makes and couldn't care less where they source parts. You need to get a grip on yourself and not yourself so worked up. LOL
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No one ever said Tesla was 100% made in America. The point is they are the most made in America vehicle.
I cite facts and their sources. Without context your posts are meaningless; no one can read your mind.
Don't get yourself so worked up. LOL.
 
JeffKeryk said:
I mean that whatever Tesla is doing, it's working. That's the numbers. Both in sales and American made ranking. Maybe you haven't noticed, but all the major car companies are copying and chasing Tesla both in products, business practices and especially results.

There is no such thing as a 100% American made mass produced vehicle.

If you don't like Teslas, don't buy one. I happen to be proud that America is leading the world in something again. Maybe you don't like this great American company, but that's your business. I salute their growth, hiring North American workers and building cars that people want.

According to Statista:

Tesla - Statistics & Facts​

Tesla ranked as the most valuable automotive brand worldwide as of June 2023 and within the fourteenth most valuable brands across all industries in 2022. That same year, Tesla led the battery-electric vehicle market in sales.

So yeah, Tesla is doing something right and everyone is chasing them. That's the numbers, not opinion.
That's what I mean.
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The point is we all know GM and Ford have been outsourcing parts from China for more than a decade and Tesla is doing the same but are taking it one step further. They are encouraging their Chinese suppliers to move production to Mexico closer to where Tesla assembles these vehicles. VW has been doing this since the original Bettle and have sold Mexico built VW in the US but the cars and parts clearly state Made in Mexico. Do your research, the deeper you did the more it looks like the Made in USA is smoke and mirrors and slight of hand as far as Tesla is concerned.


https://cnevpost.com/2023/06/08/tesla-asks-chinese-suppliers-plants-mexico-report/

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-asks-chinese-suppliers-to-set-up-factories-in-mexico/
 
Trav said:
The point is we all know GM and Ford have been outsourcing parts from China for more than a decade and Tesla is doing the same but are taking it one step further. They are encouraging their Chinese suppliers to move production to Mexico closer to where Tesla assembles these vehicles. VW has been doing this since the original Bettle and have sold Mexico built VW in the US but the cars and parts clearly state Made in Mexico. Do your research, the deeper you did the more it looks like the Made in USA is smoke and mirrors and slight of hand as far as Tesla is concerned.


https://cnevpost.com/2023/06/08/tesla-asks-chinese-suppliers-plants-mexico-report/

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-asks-chinese-suppliers-to-set-up-factories-in-mexico/
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He's promoting bringing manufacturing closer to home and that's a bad thing?

Smoke and mirrors? You've got a wicked hard on for this guy. It seems like a weird obsession at this point. The made in Mexico VWs say that because that's where the final assembly point was, hence 3 to start the VIN. Now it's a shadow game since Tesla's final assembly point is within the US? VW could have done that too if they wanted. Now the GTI final assembly is in Germany since they aren't making the regular Golf for the US and it no longer made sense to use the same factory for much less cars. Is that hiding the origin of the car too? I'm sure they're using the same suppliers for the most part. Ford uses a lot of Canadian and Mexican parts too as does many US manufacturers. We all know there's a lot to a car and the parts have to come from somewhere.
 
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