If EV's could provide what ICE can, there would be no need for them. The fact is they can't. That is a hard truth that doesn't require any "twisting".
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The issue is that even if they did have charging, it would likely be slow. The first time I rented an EV, a Tesla, it was plugged in. But it was one of those 240v home chargers. Not fast. That gets you this:
That was around 7am today after being plugged in all night.
SeaTac was atrocious. I waited about 45 mins, others I know were waiting two hours or more. They had hundreds more rentals than cars. Apparently due to the football game??
No problem there, the ICE powered vehicles will be around long after anyone of any age in this forum is gone from this earth. It's nuts to think otherwise for the next 100 years UNLESS something is developed that does not involve a battery powered electric motor and charging a battery from the electric grid.
Give yourself plenty of time when you leave. The security lines can get really long. The airport website gives updates.
I hope you're right, but a 100 years is way overly optimistic imo. My concern is the USA, I don't care about the rest of the world to be honest. I see the EV being eventually jammed down my throat with high taxes on gas, like what was done to cigarettes to try to stop people from smoking. That might be a poor example but I think you get my point. I could see what I'll call "a spite tax" on gas and diesel, making it insanely expensive to drive an ICE vehicle.
It was just based on factual data (my own*LOL*)
There is no way on planet earth that the USA will have enough electric power generation to recharge 286,000,000 (two hundred eighty six million) vehicles on USA roads. As of right now there are 350,000 EVs... in the whole USA (not even the circulation of Newsday on Long Island). We already know electric utilities struggle so what happens if one was to add 286 million more EVs to the grid? *LOL*
That is why I know, unless someone comes up with a better idea, battery EVs will be as popular as battery golf carts. Meaning battery powered EVs will be specific use vehicles only and make up only a small percentage of vehicles on USA roads..
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Unfortunately you are right. The extra costs will come in taxes like Washington’s carbon cap tax which just added a chunk onto the cost per gallon of fuel and is expected to rise to over 80¢ per gallon in the next few years.
Add in rising insurance premiums, tolls, license fees and so on and it’s definitely getting more and more expensive to own and drive an automobile.
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That is a understatement. I rarely fly in on a Sunday night, last Sunday night at 2245 I arrived to a crazy house. Security lines backed up, 200+ Ubers trying to get into the parking pickup line, departure dropoff backed up for miles.
Not to mention (not a concern for JR2), the parking garage is having major technical issues. I could not get into the parkign garage a week ago due to technical issues, and depaerting last Sunday night 80 percent of the exit gates were frozen with vehicles in their broken lanes. Here is a pic, didn't come out so well. See the white reverse lights on.
Arrive extra, extra early at SEA. Perfect example on why private industry clearly is the best way to solve needs...........
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All I'd say is that this is a "bad beat" and while it's not quite that impractical, the closest thing I can think of is being offered an electric golf cart as a rental. But this is a fairly new thing and it's probably going to take a while before they work out all the kinks. I'd be surprised if they didn't have some way to charge it there. Hertz is showing all these displays of yellow charging stations in their ads, but I'd be curious what they actually have.
It doesn't sound to me like a sign that EVs are unsuitable for rentals, but that the Chevy Bolt is, with its limited Level 3 charging and its relatively low range. But as a personal vehicle it seems to work well as long as there's charging at home and/or work.
It doesn't sound to me like a sign that EVs are unsuitable for rentals, but that the Chevy Bolt is, with its limited Level 3 charging and its relatively low range. But as a personal vehicle it seems to work well as long as there's charging at home and/or work.
They have been working on that parking garage for a long time now. I don’t know what is going on there except that it’s a major disruption.
Over a year ago I picked up a couple of family members at the airport. The number of cars that just pulled over to the right and parked on the drive in was insane. We just kept driving through and back out then turning around again. Airport police were out telling drivers to move but that doesn’t last long. When the cellular parking was open that was the optimal place. I have heard that three hours ahead of departure is the recommended time to plan for.
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Three hours is good, and at rare times may not be enough.
Last year I was at the airport where the TSA security lines were routed outside the terminal and into the parking garage. For a airport that generates a ton of revenue, i have no idea why so many issues.
I fly in and or/out of SEA multiple times per month. I don't arrive extra early and have not been "caught". But I am sure my number will come up. Thousands of people this year have missed flights at SEA that arrived on generally accepted reasonable time frames. Unless its ok to miss a flight, arriving early is a best practice at SEA.
Last year I was at the airport where the TSA security lines were routed outside the terminal and into the parking garage. For a airport that generates a ton of revenue, i have no idea why so many issues.
I fly in and or/out of SEA multiple times per month. I don't arrive extra early and have not been "caught". But I am sure my number will come up. Thousands of people this year have missed flights at SEA that arrived on generally accepted reasonable time frames. Unless its ok to miss a flight, arriving early is a best practice at SEA.
Bolt cant charge faster than 50KW, I don't think its the best for airport rental locations due to unknown use patterns and its slow charging rate. Neighborhood locations where the use will most likely be to local residents is probably a better option at least for the few slower charging EV's on the market (Chevy Bolt, Kia Niro, Nissan Leaf, Toyota Buzzforks, Subaru Solterra). I think renting out things like Bolt and Niro that charge slow is putting bad taste into peoples mouth because then they just assume all EV's charge that slow which is not the case.
Going to disagree with you here. I just rolled over 4 years of EV ownership (2016 eGolf and now 2021 ID.4) and have not been able to charge at home all 4 of those years and there have been a handful of times in the past 4 years I had to carve out 25-30 minutes to go to an EA station and hangout because I couldn't snag a charger at work. Another EA we routinely use while grocery shopping and its like a running of supermarket sweep to get done shopping before the charging session finishes - we have turned it into a game at this point to try to beat the charging session and not have to cut our grocery trip short.
I hope you're right. I see lithium for these batteries being a big problem as time goes by and more of the EVs powered by them fill the roads.
Statistically you are an outlier. I know a few people who tell me they never charge at home. Like you, they charge at work and at a subsidized (or free) rate. But they also had ICE cars.
I'm glad it works for you.
That is only true if someone is holding the proverbial gun to your head and that is exactly what they are doing with these ICE bans.
I dare say if the EV was left as only an alternative with no threats of banning ICE and with no taxpayer funded incentive the EV companies would find themselves in the dustbin of history in a short time.
You do realize there's hundreds of bllions of dollars worth of taxpayer funded efforts to secure relatively inexpensive crude oil prices?
I agree, imo the EV would die on the vine.
Quick charger on the way, yeah
It is understandable, look at what oil is used for other than motor fuels. Even if there were no ICE vehicles as the loons want to happen the need for oil is still massive, how many industries that not in the vehicle manufacturing depend on oil?
This is a very old list and a much more recent one.
https://www.ranken-energy.com/index.php/products-made-from-petroleum/
https://badassworkgear.com/list-of-products-made-from-oil-petroleum/
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