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There is no “certified” inspector in California. Anyone can call themselves one. It’s a scam. If you know anything about construction, inspect it yourself.

https://careertrend.com/how-6130922-building-inspector-certification-california.html

Let me put it this way, if banks would require couriers notaries to be certified and be registered to their own bank to be trusted, do you seriously think "building inspectors" will not be certified and not risked getting sued? The realtors and the sellers not getting sued? Come on now, you know no matter how much you hate California this cannot be real right?
 
It’s not a sellers’ market there, it’s obvious a sucker’s market.
I was a sucker. I paid too much for my home, in the late 1990's. Like $340K for a broken down house built cheaply in 1962. 1,200 square feet.
Put $150K into it. I got ripped off for a ton of that money; the guy went to prison for fraud, grand theft and other charges. More people than me were involved.
My house is probably on the low end on my block; it would sell for the better part if $2M in a matter of days.

The 2 recent sales on my street were $2M and $2.3M.
 
To my knowledge only FHA loans require an inspection.

Conventional loans do not.

No bank would risk that, and no institutional investors will risk that. Maybe if you find a mom and pop credit unions or some sub prime plus investors looking for a good return, will turn a blind eye, but is it worth the risk? The risk of things going sour is much higher on a bad inspection than not having title insurance.
 
There is no “certified” inspector in California. Anyone can call themselves one. It’s a scam. If you know anything about construction, inspect it yourself.
Banks will not risk millions of dollars on properties because of bad appraisals. Appraisals around here tend to be on the conservative side.
 
From what I can tell the market is just frozen

There are very few houses for sale and few sell for the same reason
AKA compared to 5 years ago inventory is about 1/5 what is was.

Nobody is building and you have a perfect storm of zero available homes driving bidding wars for the couple there are,
Single family houses are being built like crazy in my area. You can smell plywood in the air.
 
Do you know how home inspector works?

They are really there to check some obvious things and work with the appraisers, so the bank can give you a loan. They work for the bank and carry insurance just in case, so the bank can sell the loan and if something goes wrong then they have someone to sue for.

They are not general contractors giving out repair quotes.
Laws vary from state to state. In MA, home inspectors weren't required to be licensed by the state so anyone could call themselves a home inspector but now you need a license to be a home inspector. May be the old way in other states where no license is required. They're also not required for conventional loans, the bank never asks and never sees the inspection report. Even FHA loans just have the appraiser pointing out obvious stuff like peeling paint or missing hand rails, but they don't really do a real home inspection like inspect the heating system/plumbing. For MA, the limits on the home inspection is that if they miss something, you just get your money back from the home inspection which is a few hundreds, you don't get thousands back because they miss something big.

FHA can be a big pain in the neck. Did one where the bank said that there were handrails missing on the basement stairs. Told them it already had handrails. They said they wanted the receipt for the installation of the handrails. Told them they were always there and they weren't recently installed. Then they wanted some affidavit that said that they were always there and that they hadn't been installed by anyone.
 
The inspector did catch some of the issues. However when they brought it up at closing the seller offered nothing. Crazy market for sure. I had some people talk to me about the house while I was out front working on my truck. I saw them after this all happened and they were glad they dodged a bullet. All the houses in the neighborhood were built in the late 60s/early 70s so issues are to be expected. We have actually corrected more than a few real estate agents trying to say the houses were newer than they were. My grandparents bought the house in August of 1968 and we had a realtor try to tell us it was built in 1981.
I didn't think the selling price was negotiated at the closing.
 
No bank would risk that, and no institutional investors will risk that. Maybe if you find a mom and pop credit unions or some sub prime plus investors looking for a good return, will turn a blind eye, but is it worth the risk? The risk of things going sour is much higher on a bad inspection than not having title insurance.
If it's a confirming loan, they just get resold by Fannie/Freddie. It's the homeowner that gets stuck with the bad home. They only get stuck if it gets foreclosed on and that's a low likeihood when there's a decent down payment. They always require an appraisal though but lately they've always been "hitting the numbers".
 
No bank would risk that, and no institutional investors will risk that. Maybe if you find a mom and pop credit unions or some sub prime plus investors looking for a good return, will turn a blind eye, but is it worth the risk? The risk of things going sour is much higher on a bad inspection than not having title insurance.

I have purchased three houses over the last 20 years, all conventional loans, and in no case did the bank want an inspection nor were they concerned about or interested in the results of the home inspection that I arranged and paid for.

They did, however, want an appraisal.
 
No bank would risk that, and no institutional investors will risk that. Maybe if you find a mom and pop credit unions or some sub prime plus investors looking for a good return, will turn a blind eye, but is it worth the risk? The risk of things going sour is much higher on a bad inspection than not having title insurance.
Brian is correct. Conventional loans do not require inspections. It is very common for inspections to be waived.
 
I didn't think the selling price was negotiated at the closing.
You can renegotiate the selling price after the home inspection. Usually there's a contingency for a satisfactory home inspection so if you don't like one thing, you can walk away from the deal but you lose your home inspection money. Of course the seller can always say no and then it's time to fish or cut bait.
 
Locally our market is madness. I believe people from cities NYC/Boston/large cities have moved in scooping homes. The hottest commodities are condos. There is a housing shortage in coastal NH.

We are tempted to sell my wife's first condo ($55k 25 years ago) as market has spiked but rental income is nice:
https://www.zillow.com/portsmouth-nh/condos/
 
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Do you know how home inspector works?

They are really there to check some obvious things and work with the appraisers, so the bank can give you a loan. They work for the bank and carry insurance just in case, so the bank can sell the loan and if something goes wrong then they have someone to sue for.

They are not general contractors giving out repair quotes.

Pretty sure you don't know the full picture either.

Like said above, there's two types. One the a lender might require and the other a prospective buyer pays for. My experiences are from those that buyers pay for.
 
Pretty sure you don't know the full picture either.

Like said above, there's two types. One the a lender might require and the other a prospective buyer pays for. My experiences are from those that buyers pay for.
I think he is confused between an appraisal and a home inspection. They are two different services.
 
I think he is confused between an appraisal and a home inspection. They are two different services.
Pretty sure you don't know the full picture either.

Like said above, there's two types. One the a lender might require and the other a prospective buyer pays for. My experiences are from those that buyers pay for.

You are correct. I got confused but actually was between the termite inspection vs home inspection, not appraisal though.
 
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You can renegotiate the selling price after the home inspection. Usually there's a contingency for a satisfactory home inspection so if you don't like one thing, you can walk away from the deal but you lose your home inspection money. Of course the seller can always say no and then it's time to fish or cut bait.

That's the reason seller wants cash offer and no contingency. Many of them are selling to buy another unit so if you walk away they can have a gap in between.
 
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You are correct. I got confused but actually was between the termite inspection vs home inspection, not appraisal though.
There is an appraisal and a home inspection. Appraisal is required, inspection isn’t. All a home inspector does beyond a visual is check water pressure. Pretty much just suckering people out of money that could have just read a book and done it themselves. Building inspector is again completely different. Nothing to do with a home sale. Termite / wood rot inspection is again separate and usually required as part of the appraisal.
 
Pretty sure you don't know the full picture either.

Like said above, there's two types. One the a lender might require and the other a prospective buyer pays for. My experiences are from those that buyers pay for.
Real estate broker here. Probably been on over 100+ home inspections. The lender requires an appraisal. Depending on the state and property, they might require a termite inspection. For instance they're not going to do a termite inspection for a condo that's on the 20th floor. Some home inspectors are also qualified to do the termite inspection, depends on the home inspectors. The home inspectors I like are former construction supervisors so they have previous construction/contracting experience. The inspector I know says he got out of it because he got tired of workers that would either show up drunk or not show up so it was a hard business. The appraisers are the only thing the bank requires, the home inspection is basically for the buyer's info.
There is an appraisal and a home inspection. Appraisal is required, inspection isn’t. All a home inspector does beyond a visual is check water pressure. Pretty much just suckering people out of money that could have just read a book and done it themselves. Building inspector is again completely different. Nothing to do with a home sale. Termite / wood rot inspection is again separate and usually required as part of the appraisal.
You'd have to read a lot of books to be able to do a good one and you'd need experience to know what you're looking at. Usually on a home inspection I know most of what is seen, but still run into new items all the time. Although to be fair, the last couple of properties I bought, I skipped the home inspection. They were rental properties so I didn't really care that much. Usually there's always 5-10k worth of issues and I figured if there was much beyond that, I'd just fix it.
 
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