Ravenol Excessive For My Needs?

[michael007]

I read that, and there was an interview not long time ago where they are explaining a lot of why, because, but it really does not matter.
If it does not matter, then it is not superior product, which they sell as. They always invested much more in marketing than anything else. In 90's you could not go to soccer game without Liqui Moly being blasted everywhere. It was though superior in one thing back than: it burned in engine like no other.

Back in the 90's, were there many manufacturers offering group III oils? I understand conventional oils are fine but synthetics provide longer change intervals, less chance of sludge and lower pour points.. etc so there are benefits that some would be taking advantage of.

I would also think that back then, liqui moly was using molybdenum as a friction modifier. Were other manufactures also offering MoS2?

If not, then yes conventional is great but it would seem that liqui moly put in an effort to be better.

Since then, they came out with ceratec which is supposed to give even more protection but this solution has been debated because many don't like or see the need to add a ceramic type of additive separately to their oil change routine.

So now they're releasing oil with tungsten added. According to the blog entry for the molygen 0w20, they say: "And finally The icing on the cake is a proprietary anti-wear additive based on organic metal compounds that is twice as effective as the well-known triple-core molybdenum. The presence of an additional antiwear additive not only protects the engine from wear, saves fuel and prolongs the service life, but is additional insurance in case of problems with injectors causing gasoline to enter the oil."

 

[edyvw]

Back in the 90's, were there many manufacturers offering group III oils? I understand conventional oils are fine but synthetics provide longer change intervals, less chance of sludge and lower pour points.. etc so there are benefits that some would be taking advantage of.

I would also think that back then, liqui moly was using molybdenum as a friction modifier. Were other manufactures also offering MoS2?

If not, then yes conventional is great but it would seem that liqui moly put in an effort to be better.

Since then, they came out with ceratec which is supposed to give even more protection but this solution has been debated because many don't like or see the need to add a ceramic type of additive separately to their oil change routine.

So now they're releasing oil with tungsten added. According to the blog entry for the molygen 0w20, they say: "And finally The icing on the cake is a proprietary anti-wear additive based on organic metal compounds that is twice as effective as the well-known triple-core molybdenum. The presence of an additional antiwear additive not only protects the engine from wear, saves fuel and prolongs the service life, but is additional insurance in case of problems with injectors causing gasoline to enter the oil."

I am specifically talking about synthetics and HC technology that gained ground in 90's. Their synthetics burned like crazy in engines, and oil like Statoil, OMV, Optima, INA, Mol, etc. so no major companies, performed much better.
Tungsten was sold by Castrol, IDK, when Eisenhower was still alive. They are experts in selling BS.

 

[vivaUkraine]

it is not superior product

Aren't most oils are more or less the same? Castrol Edge 5w40, Mobil formula M 5w40, Pennzoil Euro platinum 5w40, and Liqui Moly Leichtlauf high tech 5w40 are generic goods. I'm sure if liqui moly was sold at Walmart, their 5w40 Leichtlauf in 5 quart jag would cost same as the above oils. They are made in Germany and not in US and it may be view as "value" by some. Mexican and european coca cola is made with real sugar, American with corn syrup. European snickers chocolate tastes different from American.

 

[ChristianReske]

It was though superior in one thing back than: it burned in engine like no other.

You are the only person i know that complains about this. Allways. And according to you it happend in the 90s.
LM is the Nr. 1 brand here in Germany since 10 Years. I never heard one single person complaining about oil consumption with LM.

So, you really dont like LM because you made a bad expirence whith it back in the 90s. Thats O.K.

 

[vivaUkraine]

LM is the Nr. 1 brand here in Germany since 10 Years.

I notice that some Americans are offended by higher grade, more expensive products. You can tell by the type of cars (primitive, coarse buckets) American manufacturers produced until very recently. Same with some restaurants, where huge portion of mediocre, unpalatable food at a great-deal-price s preferable to a smaller portion of real stuff.

 

[kschachn]

I notice that some Americans are offended by higher grade, more expensive products. You can tell by the type of cars (primitive, coarse buckets) American manufacturers produced until very recently. Same with some restaurants, where huge portion of mediocre, unpalatable food at a great-deal-price s preferable to a smaller portion of real stuff.

Goofy and unwarranted criticisms of American culture aside, what makes the product a “higher grade” and how do you determine this? Does it have certain approvals or certs other brands do not? Or are there other tests and results that show this?

 

[OVERKILL]

I notice that some Americans are offended by higher grade, more expensive products. You can tell by the type of cars (primitive, coarse buckets) American manufacturers produced until very recently. Same with some restaurants, where huge portion of mediocre, unpalatable food at a great-deal-price s preferable to a smaller portion of real stuff.

I'd hardly call LM "higher grade" given how little PAO it uses when compared to some of its contemporaries. I have no personal issue with the product but you are definitely paying a premium price for "Made in Germany" while, from a blending standpoint, it's no different than most BP products.

 

[edyvw]

Aren't most oils are more or less the same? Castrol Edge 5w40, Mobil formula M 5w40, Pennzoil Euro platinum 5w40, and Liqui Moly Leichtlauf high tech 5w40 are generic goods. I'm sure if liqui moly was sold at Walmart, their 5w40 Leichtlauf in 5 quart jag would cost same as the above oils. They are made in Germany and not in US and it may be view as "value" by some. Mexican and european coca cola is made with real sugar, American with corn syrup. European snickers chocolate tastes different from American.

No they are not. Please pay attention on what is in their oils as well as other sources to make that claim.
Catsrol Edge 5W40 is bottom feeder oil, and yes, I would put it in same category as Liqui Moly.
Pennzoil and Mobil1 are different ball game.

 

[edyvw]

I notice that some Americans are offended by higher grade, more expensive products. You can tell by the type of cars (primitive, coarse buckets) American manufacturers produced until very recently. Same with some restaurants, where huge portion of mediocre, unpalatable food at a great-deal-price s preferable to a smaller portion of real stuff.

Bcs. Someone put oversized Made in Germany sign on the bottle is somehow higher grade product? I mean what fools are BMW, MB etc. for not using that "higher grade" product as their first fill.

 

[vivaUkraine]

what makes the product a “higher grade” and how do you determine this?

I sould correct myself: "perceived higher grade". As I mentioned a few comments above, I think oils with same/similar certifications are "generic" products. "Made in Germany" still carriers that "perceived" higher grade quality. And the idea of getting exact same stuff - particularly if you own German car - as the German market gets is nice too. Yes, those are subjective parameters. Again, I think 229.5 oils are like Aspirin, which is Aspirin no matter the brand

 

[edyvw]

You are the only person i know that complains about this. Allways. And according to you it happend in the 90s.
LM is the Nr. 1 brand here in Germany since 10 Years. I never heard one single person complaining about oil consumption with LM.

So, you really dont like LM because you made a bad expirence whith it back in the 90s. Thats O.K.

That marketing will get you being No.1 product.
No, I do not have and issue with Liqui Moly. I am using that reference how Liqui Moly was doing marketing bidding back then while providing mediocre product. I do however with parachuters that come here to praise this product bcs. one or two companies are pushing as next best thing after wheel was invented, while oil looks and performs like any other average oil. At the same time one can get much better product and cheaper in local Wal mart.

 

[vivaUkraine]

No they are not. Please pay attention on what is in their oils as well as other sources to make that claim.
Catsrol Edge 5W40 is bottom feeder oil, and yes, I would put it in same category as Liqui Moly.
Pennzoil and Mobil1 are different ball game.

Same stuff, with same approvals, and costs more or less the same

 

[edyvw]

Same stuff, with same approvals, and costs more or less the same

Approvals are minimum requirement. Does not stop oil manufacturers to make oil that exceeds those requirements.
Where is 5qt of Liqui Moly $22?

 

[vivaUkraine]

Approvals are minimum requirement. Does not stop oil manufacturers to make oil that exceeds those requirements.
Where is 5qt of Liqui Moly $22?

It's not sold on Walmart shelves. Otherwise it's $35/5 quart jug on Amazon. I think Castrol Edge 5w-40 costs $35/5 quart jug at Advanced Auto when not on sale. One can't buy Mobil's Formula M or Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 for $25/5 quart jug at Walmart or anywhere too. But they are all, functionally, 99.96% the same

 

[edyvw]

It's not sold on Walmart shelves. Otherwise it's $35/5 quart jug on Amazon. I think Castrol Edge 5w-40 costs $35/5 quart jug at Advanced Auto when not on sale. One can't buy Mobil's Formula M or Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 for $25/5 quart jug at Walmart or anywhere too. But they are all, functionally, 99.96% the same

No they are not the same.
Pennzoil Euro 5W40 is $33 in your local AAP and you get MANN filter with it.
I would rather buy in local Wal mart or AAP if they have product I need, than Amazon. Both are corporations, but in local WM maybe my neighbor is employed. That is beside, that you get better product cheaper.

 

[michael007]

Some of their oils have a 100% PAO base (Synthoil High Tech 5W-40 and Synthoil High Tech 5W-30)

I don't think these two are carried in North America but they're available in Europe and Russia.

Found out about them from here - google translate required:
https://www.autodela.ru/main/top/review/pao_sintetik

"When synthetics had already won a place under the sun and demonstrated high properties, a synthetic motor oil made using hydrocracking (HC) technology appeared. In terms of the main characteristics of viscosity, HC synthetics are close to PAO synthetics, but were inferior to them in thermooxidative stability due to heterogeneity.

Gradually, marketers of oil producers "forgot" about the HC prefix, and now all oil on the shelves is called synthetic.

The Russian market now has practically no engine oil made using the PAO technology. In this row, the products of the Liqui Moly company stand apart, which from year to year offers its own line of Synthoil synthetic oils. This line has already become a classic, and many motorists prefer it. The main advantage is the use of PAO synthetics as a base. Moreover, there are no mineral additives in this product. The base itself acts as an ideal carrier of additives and allows you to create a strong protective film on the metal. Although Liqui Moly, as an oil manufacturer, does not declare this, but, according to various estimates, you can walk up to 30 thousand km on such oil. In the context of our article, this is an ideal engine oil for city use."

 

[vivaUkraine]

Pennzoil Euro 5W40 is $33 in your local AAP and you get MANN filter with it.

Send me a link. All I see is that Pennzoil Euro 5w40, because it's sold (apparently) in quart bottles only is MORE expensive than the equivalent Liqui Moly. Same for Mobil Formula M

 

[edyvw]

Send me a link. All I see is that Pennzoil Euro 5w40, because it's sold (apparently) in quart bottles only is MORE expensive than the equivalent Liqui Moly. Same for Mobil Formula M

It is nation wide sale, not only Pennzoil.
Go to your local AAP, all synthetics are $33-35 (depending on state) and filter.
I got few weeks back Mobil1 0W30 C3 for $33 plus filter.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Yesterday i changed the oil i an 1997 toyota corola 1.6 16v with ravenol 5w40 vsi.

I added pictures of the packaging where it also states the use of pao.

Mate of mine was concerned that the engine was a little sludged up and never saw much love. In holland we can get ravenol very cheap from germany so why not.

And yes i agree that most of liqui moly is overmarketed.

Ravenol is the only "small" manufacturer that i personally advise. I am mostly a shell user but use ravenol in multiple vehicles.

I dont know what ravenol will cost you but guess its always worth a try. However i also dont think your engine will fail on the current oil either. But hey its a hobby

 

[michael007]

Blau parts is the only vendor of Ravenol here in North America. It's not cheap but if you sign up for their newsletter or follow their social media, they do have sales.

https://www.blauparts.com/ravenol-catalog.html