RAV4 dethrones F150 as best selling car (vehicle) in the U.S.

[CharBaby]

If GM could combine the sales of the Silverado & Sierra Pickup Trucks(and IDKY they can't), they'd be #1 with 883,463 total sales.
As compared to the FORD F-Series Pickup Truck sales of 732,139 total sales.

 

[Hall]

If GM could combine the sales of the Silverado & Sierra Pickup Trucks(and IDKY they can't)

They can if those chose to but if they did, then what's the point of their different "branding" if in fact they're the same vehicles (I mean, they absolutely are) ?

 

[PF52]

I don’t understand the hate against CUV’s?

Is this the new old man yelling at clouds?

In this thread? I must've missed it. About 2/3 of the posts are about full-size pickups and most of the rest are about CVTs.

 

[hemioiler]

They can if those chose to but if they did, then what's the point of their different "branding" if in fact they're the same vehicles (I mean, they absolutely are) ?

It's all marketing; why is Ford combining F150 with F250 but GM isn't "allowed" to combine Silverado with Sierra?

The confusion is because Chevrolet and GMC are brands, GM is a manufacturer. Ford is both a brand and a manufacturer.

In the end what matters most, is on a manufacturer level; who is actually producing/selling more trucks, and clearly that is GM. Whether it's a brand or a separate trim is kind of irrelevant IMHO.

If I remember correctly GM also makes more money per truck than Ford.

Add it all up, and it appears that GM is making the better decisions, more people are buying GM trucks and they make more money. That's really the crux of this entire argument.

None of this matters to me personally, I still bought a ram It was the cheapest option by far and I believe all 3 trucks are close enough and will do what I want that I buy mainly on price.

 

[Hall]

It's all marketing; why is Ford combining F150 with F250 but GM isn't "allowed" to combine Silverado with Sierra?

There are no rules about what's allowed or not allowed. As you and I said, it's a choice the companies make for marketing reasons. And if I'm not mistaken, what Ford does is different as they refer to them all as "F-series". They're still all Fords.

Regarding GM and their brands, and I know this isn't their pick-up range, but not far from where I live used to be a GM assembly plant. From the late-90s to late 2000s, GM built these on the same assembly:

GMC Envoy
Chevy Trailblazer
Buick Rainier
Isuzu Ascender
Saab 9-7X

 

[hemioiler]

There are no rules about what's allowed or not allowed.

Yes, that's why I put it in quotes, it's a question for those here and in other forums who say you can't add up GMC and Chevy sales.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

A quick cursory google search of "rav4 vs f150 MSRP" should shine some light on the subject.

 

[SC Maintenance]

A quick cursory google search of "rav4 vs f150 MSRP" should shine some light on the subject.

Your correct but sadly Rav4 is not cheap anymore either.

 

[Hall]

A quick cursory google search of "rav4 vs f150 MSRP" should shine some light on the subject.

They aren't competing models though. The Tundra is what competes with the F-150, but it looks like the F-150 outsells it by a 6-8x margin.

 

[Brons2]

I bought a Tundra in 2019 for the V8 and availability of CD player

This is the most luddite thing I have seen on the Internet this week.

I digitized my entire CD collection 30 years ago. Back then I purchased high end SCSI CD/CD-R players/writers for the maximum possible ripping performance available at the time. It's over 10,000 songs and I have multiple copies on devices in the house, and uploaded to Google for use with YouTube music on my phone.

 

[Brons2]

I'm very surprised by two things, the Model Y being so high, and no Honda Accords. I don't see many Model Ys around, but see plenty of Xs.

I think you're confused about what you're seeing. The overall total of Model X sold during the entire production run is miniscule.

 

[Brons2]

#1 for 16 of the last 17 years, 13 consecutive years.
Camry number one passenger car in America for the 23rd consecutive year
Tacoma number one small pickup in America for the 20th consecutive year
RAV4 best-selling SUV in the U.S. for the 8th consecutive year

As long as Gulf States Toyota exists I will never buy a new Toyota.

 

[AZjeff]

Exactly! It is a known fact that SUV's/CUV's have indeed stolen the sales of the mainstream sedans

All in perspective. Not sure how people buying what they want is stealing unless you’re a sedan guy.

And everyone knows the C in CUV is for Cute!

 

[Brons2]

That's because the GMC is a better looking truck.

no way, tooth grille.

 

[Brons2]

Although I agree with you zzyzzx, I also believe that the Accord missed the boat on other fronts as well such as:

*SUV sales
*The publics view of its style(I think it looks okay)
*The Accord has gotten more expensive
*The Accord does not offer AWD
*Also, the public may be missing the more powerful engine options of the previously generation(s)

The Camry also has FLEET SALES such as rental car companies & municipalities etc., which helps keep its sales numbers up, where as Honda does not. Although you may find Honda vehicles in rental car fleets or businesses, Honda does not have an in-house "Fleet Vehicle Sales Program".

Although the Accord still has decent sales numbers(in the grand scheme of sales numbers) for the U.S., its sales numbers are down drastically.

The prior generation was vastly more attactive. These new ones are ugly ducklings.

Regarding the fleet sales, I rented an Accord Hybrid out on the left coast a couple of years ago, so there are some Accord fleet sales.

 

[Brons2]

None of this matters to me personally, I still bought a ram It was the cheapest option by far and I believe all 3 trucks are close enough and will do what I want that I buy mainly on price.

That's why I leased a Lightning, it was the cheapest lease option I could get (well barring things like a Kona that aren't big enough for me at 6'7"). $299.96/mo and loving it.

 

[PF52]

All in perspective. Not sure how people buying what they want is stealing unless you’re a sedan guy.

Would you prefer "CUV's are eating the sedan's lunch"?

 

[Hall]

I think you're confused about what you're seeing. The overall total of Model X sold during the entire production run is miniscule.

I'm well aware of the differences between the X and Y models. The X has been around for almost 10 years too.

 

[Brons2]

I'm well aware of the differences between the X and Y models. The X has been around for almost 10 years too.

The Y sells more in 6 months than the X has in it's entire production run. I see 100 MY's every time I leave the house, they are everywhere around here. I have gone to other cities/states in the US and seen a lot of Model Ys those places also. Not sure what would be different in your location. Maybe less EVs period if it's rural.

 

[AZjeff]

Would you prefer "CUV's are eating the sedan's lunch"?

I don't prefer anything when it comes to CUV/SUV vs sedan sales. C/SUV sales have been rising and sedan sales have been declining for many years. Like it or not people speak with their wallets. Usually guys bemoaning the demise of the sedan also contend if people knew what was good for them they'd be buying sedans instead of the C/SUVs and blame the popularity of C/SUVs on marketing or low information buyers.

Combining types of vehicles together in the 10 ten list the numbers are:

CUVs 1.5M units
Trucks 1M units
Sedans 835k units