RAV4 dethrones F150 as best selling car (vehicle) in the U.S.

[GON]

Interesting graphic that looks at vehicle quantities sold in the U.S. I remember years ago Ford increasing Taurus manufacturing to be the number one vehicle sold.

I have no idea why the shift in sales trends in 2024. Ford unable to manufacture enough F150s due to part shortages?? Consumers not finding a justification to trade in old truck for a brand-new truck? Consumers being more budget conscious?? RAV4 simply the best overall value proposition for U.S. buyers?

 

[Nessism1]

Add Chevy and GMC trucks together, which are very similar vehicles, and they are number one.

 

[AZjeff]

Add Chevy and GMC trucks together, which are very similar vehicles, and they are number one.

Agree but many won't. Interesting the Rogue beats the Civic but won't next year at the sales trends.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

yay

 

[fdcg27]

What's really surprising is the sales of the Model Y.
The Rav has been a perennial mom car favorite.
It is surprising that it beat out the F150 though.
Yeah, the GMC and Chevy pickups are twins differentiated only by trim and badging so really should be counted as the same vehicle.

 

[fantastic]

With the popularity of "SUV's/CUV's" it was bound to happen eventually. Not sure exactly what the pressures are & most likely a few different factors at play. Are Toyota RAV4's cheaper than an F-150? Truck prices went nuts last time I checked.

 

[JavierH19]

If you were to add up all of GM's full-sized SUVs being the Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, Escalade, and Escalade ESV it would be around 278-279k putting it in number 8. All Ford expeditions and lincoln navigators combined make up 93-94k in sales.

 

[GON]

Just finished Sunday morning breakfast and had a second look at the new F150s.

My youngest Son is in the military and is scheduled to leave Korea in the next year or two. Although I won't--- I have thought about buying him a brand-new pickup when he returns to CONUS. I currently have three F350s, and an old full frame 2004 Navigator that I use for towing (awesome 32V V8 engine with a rock solid transmission.

My F350s have the 6.2L V8 gas engine, th8 6.8L V10, and the 6.7 diesel. All rock-solid drivetrains. I think the 2V V10 might last indefinitely as long as I change the oil an keep the spark plugs torqued. Essentially simple drivetrains, that with proactive oil changes, can live worry free for many years.

I decided I wouldn't consider a new F150 for my Son. It may be erroneous, but I struggle to embrace the eco-boost, turbos, etc. My desire for a full-size truck is dependability and simplicity. Although it is reported Ford offers the 5.0 V8 in their F150s, most of the F150s are built with smaller displacement turbo engines.

Those smaller displacement full size truck engines may be a match for many- but not a drivetrain that I would ever consider buying. Of course, I know in the no so distant future I there may not be a choice.

 

[drtyler]

Just finished Sunday morning breakfast and had a second look at the new F150s.

My youngest Son is in the military and is scheduled to leave Korea in the next year or two. Although I won't--- I have thought about buying him a brand-new pickup when he returns to CONUS. I currently have three F350s, and an old full frame 2004 Navigator that I use for towing (awesome 32V V8 engine with a rock solid transmission.

My F350s have the 6.2L V8 gas engine, th8 6.8L V10, and the 6.7 diesel. All rock-solid drivetrains. I think the 2V V10 might last indefinitely as long as I change the oil an keep the spark plugs torqued. Essentially simple drivetrains, that with proactive oil changes, can live worry free for many years.

I decided I wouldn't consider a new F150 for my Son. It may be erroneous, but I struggle to embrace the eco-boost, turbos, etc. My desire for a full-size truck is dependability and simplicity. Although it is reported Ford offers the 5.0 V8 in their F350s, most of the F10s are built with smaller displacement turbo engines.

Those smaller displacement full size truck engines may be a match for many- but not a drivetrain that I would ever consider buying. Of course, I know in the no so distant future I there may not be a choice.

Local dealer has 20 F150 on the lot; 10 have the 5.0 V8. No shortage here.

The 5.0 V8 isn’t exactly a simple engine.

I bought a Tundra in 2019 for the V8 and availability of CD player, so I understand your sentiments.

 

[Shel_B]

Add Chevy and GMC trucks together, which are very similar vehicles, and they are number one.

Every "best-selling" list I've seen here has the same comment as if it's revelatory information.

Very similar doesn't mean the same. "Similar" implies a close resemblance. GM has chosen to market the Chevy and the GMC as two separate lines. They were two separate lines some years ago, and then, in keeping with GM's move to "badge engineering," they became similar. At one time they had different running gear. In the 1950s GMC used Pontiac engines. They were different from Chevy.

An exemplary example of GM's badge engineering was the mid-70s Cadillac Seville which, apart from trim, was little more than a stretched Chevy Nova. Would you consider a short bed base model pickup a different model from a long bed, upper trim level model? GM has a history of producing similar vehicles under different brand names.

It's the Ford F-150, a particular model of Ford truck (1/2 ton), that's been the big seller, not a combination of F-150, 250, and 350. You're lumping together different models and different brands from GM and equating that to a single Ford model. I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet that a lot of Chevy/GMC buyers see them as different trucks.

Just my point of view from a different perspective.

 

[Elkins45]

What’s the average cost of a RAV compared to the average F150? Maybe the cost of a big ol’ extra cab with leather seats and a sunroof at 10% apr finally became too much to bear? Just spitballing…

 

[CKN]

The 3.5 in the F150 is awesome. The ten speed transmission is a complete, unmitigated piece of trash.

 

[AZjeff]

@Shel_B , Notice the Silverado and Sierra in the graphic above are both 1500s and are identical under some cosmetics. There's no adding in 3/4 and 1 tons to try to prove a point. Technically the F150 was the top selling vehicle but GM sells more 1/2 ton trucks than Ford. Does that sound better?

 

[supton]

Corolla and Civic are trailing, no surprise, who wants an sedan, let alone an econobox one?

but if RAV4 went up 9% in sales those two went up 20+%. I wouldn't say the market is shifting towards econoboxes but might affordability be a factor?

 

[UncleDave]

Add Chevy and GMC trucks together, which are very similar vehicles, and they are number one.

They should stand apart as you can only get warranty work done at each specific dealer.

 

[UncleDave]

The 3.5 in the F150 is awesome. The ten speed transmission is a complete, unmitigated piece of trash.

still ?
The guts are the same as the GM trans.

 

[AZjeff]

They should stand apart as you can only get warranty work done at each specific dealer.

From gmauthority.com :

In fact, GM allows dealers from one brand to provide service for vehicles of another of its brands, provided the dealership owns the right equipment to carry out the repair successfully and properly. However, with that said, a dealer has the right to refuse to attempt a repair on a vehicle from a different brand.

A GM dealership is allowed to say “no” to a repair request for another brand and does not need to provide a reason for doing so. Simply not wanting to carry out the repair is a sufficient reason to refuse if the dealer decides to do so. A dealer is more likely to refuse, however, if they lack the correct tools, equipment, or know-how to perform that warranty service.

 

[Shel_B]

@Shel_B , Notice the Silverado and Sierra in the graphic above are both 1500s and are identical under some cosmetics. There's no adding in 3/4 and 1 tons to try to prove a point. Technically the F150 was the top selling vehicle but GM sells more 1/2 ton trucks than Ford. Does that sound better?

Thanks for clarifying that. I missed it.

Your amended statement does sound better ... more accurate, perhaps.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

The Silverado went down by 2% but the Sierra went up by 11%

 

[Hall]

They should stand apart as you can only get warranty work done at each specific dealer.

That's an awfully lame reason. They are made in the same factory, on the same assembly line, by the same workers, with the same 'parts' underneath.

Add Chevy and GMC trucks together, which are very similar vehicles, and they are number one.

Add the RAV4, CR-V, and Rouge numbers together then, using your logic.