The vast majority of car buyers pay no attention to CVT or non-CVT.
RAV4 dethrones F150 as best selling car (vehicle) in the U.S.
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Exactly. They know it's an "Automatic", but beyond that, most people have no idea.
Try describing the differences between a regular automatic and, say, a CVT and a Ford "Powershift". Watch their eyes glaze over after about two sentences.
I was going to say, they'd only care between automatic and manual, but manuals are almost non-existent with new cars so I didn't see the point of even mentioning it.
I would say the people that had a CVT fail on them are probably quite aware of them after the fact, but that’s still a very small percentage of buyers.
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True.
And RAV4s are part of a large market of rental fleets also. Both commercial fleets and corporate fleets.
People have mostly stopped buying Nissans because of CVT's. I'd have to think that enough people know.
The Nissan Rogue (#8 on the list) still being on it's way down? It's a CVT.
lots of people want sedans... unfortunately most of them aren't solvent enough to buy a new car, stuck in the used game.
I've seen multiple reasons (lack of new models, lack of hybrids, etc) but CVT is not attributed to their decline by industry folks.
Think it is the dealers who want some differentiation.
When we were buying cargo vans there were always a lot more Express in stock at Chevy dealers. GM still hasn’t introduced a high roof van to the U.S. market.
I miss station wagons... don't mind the sedan, wouldn't mind getting another gen 4 Camry, but I also miss the large trunk that a small station wagon can have. No AWD stuff to complicate things. Simplicity. Oh well, that day came and went.
CVT is cited in the comments section many times in every YouTube video about this. The media people reporting on this aren't car people and are simply parroting Nissan who refuses to admit that it's their CVT's.
Most new car buyers don't keep there cars long enough to worry about transmission failures. If they do they buy extended warranty.
Even the first Gen Nissan CVT failure rate was not monumentally beyond industry averages - according to dashboard-light. Above for sure, but like 15% instead of 8%.
There on Gen3. Has anyone heard of / seen a Nissan CVT failure on model year 2020? I am sure they exist somewhere, but the Nissan boards have not registered one that I am aware. They seem to now be within statistical norms of all brands.
They have plenty of other issues for sure.
Even the first Gen Nissan CVT failure rate was not monumentally beyond industry averages - according to dashboard-light. Above for sure, but like 15% instead of 8%.
There on Gen3. Has anyone heard of / seen a Nissan CVT failure on model year 2020? I am sure they exist somewhere, but the Nissan boards have not registered one that I am aware. They seem to now be within statistical norms of all brands.
They have plenty of other issues for sure.
Civic and Corolla are bouncing back from a couple really low years after the pandemic, but even at +21% and +22% they are both way, way WAY behind where the sales numbers were a decade or so ago. I tend to think all those CUVs have taken away a lot of sedan sales.
The original RAV4 had a really odd appearance though. But then again, so did the Taurus.
Exactly! It is a known fact that SUV's/CUV's have indeed stolen the sales of the mainstream sedans especially the "midsize family sedan" category. The "compact sedan" category is taking a hit as well and the car companies are building what is selling most as they're is a higher profit in them. The largest sellers, category-wise are the "compact" CUV category...if you can call them compact!
I don’t understand the hate against CUV’s?
Is this the new old man yelling at clouds?
Is this the new old man yelling at clouds?
At least you may know what the acronym CUV means, because this old man doesn’t!
Not going to yell at clouds however…I simply can’t keep up with all of this stuff. I don’t let it bother me. I buy what works for me, whether SUV or CUV or UFO
My guess is the first letter is “compact” or “car-style” or some such. Since that’s what they seem to be in my opinion.
The newer RAV4’s shape is verging on what we referred to as a hatchback 40 years ago. I remember when VW Rabbits and Dodge Omnis were absolutely everywhere— admit it, the silhouette of the RAV is heading in that direction.
The C is for crossover. Based on it being on a unibody type drivetrain vs a truck / frame drivetrain. Generically.At least you may know what the acronym CUV means, because this old man doesn’t!
Not going to yell at clouds however…I simply can’t keep up with all of this stuff. I don’t let it bother me. I buy what works for me, whether SUV or CUV or UFO
My guess is the first letter is “compact” or “car-style” or some such. Since that’s what they seem to be in my opinion.
The newer RAV4’s shape is verging on what we referred to as a hatchback 40 years ago. I remember when VW Rabbits and Dodge Omnis were absolutely everywhere— admit it, the silhouette of the RAV is heading in that direction.
The smaller ones certainly are close to a hatchback from old but I bet if you compared internal volume they are much bigger. Designers have gotten good at using that space - both for passengers and cargo.
