RAV4 dethrones F150 as best selling car (vehicle) in the U.S.

Of course you need to add all GM's trucks together, and of course it's just marketing.

All GM has to do is make a new series, call it "G series" and put the two 1500's in it. Boom, "G series is best selling product in America".

The differences between them are the same differences you find within the same lineup; IE a High Country is more different from an LT, than an AT4 is from a Trailboss. It's skin deep, and just different features, pricing, and a different front grill.

GM has been outselling Ford since 2019.

Personally I find the 5.0 F150 a nice truck, and I'd definitely put it on my list if I needed to replace mine. The 10 speed would worry me most though.
 
Shel_B said:
Every "best-selling" list I've seen here has the same comment as if it's revelatory information.

Very similar doesn't mean the same. "Similar" implies a close resemblance. GM has chosen to market the Chevy and the GMC as two separate lines. They were two separate lines some years ago, and then, in keeping with GM's move to "badge engineering," they became similar. At one time they had different running gear. In the 1950s GMC used Pontiac engines. They were different from Chevy.

An exemplary example of GM's badge engineering was the mid-70s Cadillac Seville which, apart from trim, was little more than a stretched Chevy Nova. Would you consider a short bed base model pickup a different model from a long bed, upper trim level model? GM has a history of producing similar vehicles under different brand names.

It's the Ford F-150, a particular model of Ford truck (1/2 ton), that's been the big seller, not a combination of F-150, 250, and 350. You're lumping together different models and different brands from GM and equating that to a single Ford model. I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet that a lot of Chevy/GMC buyers see them as different trucks.

Just my point of view from a different perspective.
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I concur, overall.

Think way back when the Taurus was the top seller; all by itself. Corporate sales didn't "link" the Sable sales into the Taurus numbers, although they were nearly identical (basically cosmetic changes), and even the Continental for a time was a stretched Taurus. But the Taurus was #1 on its sole merit; no kick-in from the cousins, so to speak.

Hence, I don't believe that GM truck sales should be lumped together; singular models only.
 
If Ford could sell their inventory they could be back at 1. Max motors a local dealer had over two hundred at one time, haven’t checked lately. I found a 21 2.7L STX I would of pulled the trigger on if we didn’t just have two big purchases, but thats used. Not worried about tech at all.. heard the arguments over every piece of tech over the years and all were bought and eventually junked some with no issues. At some point have to move on.
 
GON said:
Interesting graphic that looks at vehicle quantities sold in the U.S. I remember years ago Ford increasing Taurus manufacturing to be the number one vehicle sold.
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That was at a time when Ford owned Hertz, and the Taurus was a huge part of the Hertz rental fleet. It was was also sold in huge numbers at fleet sale prices to other car rental companies.
 
y_p_w said:
That was at a time when Ford owned Hertz, and the Taurus was a huge part of the Hertz rental fleet. It was was also sold in huge numbers at fleet sale prices to other car rental companies.
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The they switched to the round oval design on the Taurus-lost the number one spot and never regained it.
 
GON said:
I remember years ago Ford increasing Taurus manufacturing to be the number one vehicle sold.
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In the mid to late 90s, Honda seemed to take over the # 2 spot over the Taurus (but still behind the Camry) and had to build North American models in Japan again in order to keep up with demand. They had been making them in central Ohio from the early 80s.
 
AZjeff said:
@Shel_B , Notice the Silverado and Sierra in the graphic above are both 1500s and are identical under some cosmetics. There's no adding in 3/4 and 1 tons to try to prove a point. Technically the F150 was the top selling vehicle but GM sells more 1/2 ton trucks than Ford. Does that sound better?
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On the Ford board it is stated as follows- " The F150 is the biggest selling truck nameplate". But yes- GM twins sell higher numbers. Its hard to make an argument otherwise when they are mechanically the same.
 
I love our Rav4. It’s been used and abused hauling lumber, dishwashers, fertilizer, and driving forest service roads. Bulletproof vehicle. Is it a pick-up? No. But ownership costs are 1/2-1/3 of a reliable pickup.
 
Hall said:
Huh ?
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Tax section 179 is the magic that makes half tons the best selling vehicle in the US.

https://www.section179.org/section_179_vehicle_deductions/


2. Heavier Passenger Vehicles (6,000–14,000 lb. GVWR)​

SUVs, trucks, and vans in this weight class have a special $31,300 Section 179 cap for 2025. The remaining cost above $31,300 may qualify for 40% bonus depreciation in 2025.​

Example Calculation:​

  • Vehicle Cost: $75,000 SUV (>6,000 lb.)
  • Section 179 Deduction: $31,300
  • Remaining $43,700: Eligible for 40% bonus depreciation ($17,480)
  • Total First‑Year Deduction: $48,780
 
Hall said:
I'm very surprised by two things, the Model Y being so high, and no Honda Accords.
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The Honda Civic has grown is size to the point where (generally speaking) less people want an Accord. Plus the Accord has a CVT and the Camry doesn't, and enough people have learned to avoid CVT's. Yes, I think people are picking a Camry over an Accord because of the CVT in the Accord. I know I would.
 
zzyzzx said:
The Honda Civic has grown is size to the point where (generally speaking) less people want an Accord. Plus the Accord has a CVT and the Camry doesn't, and enough people have learned to avoid CVT's. Yes, I think people are picking a Camry over an Accord because of the CVT in the Accord. I know I would.
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I would say the size of the Civic has the biggest impact. I don’t think most buyers are concerned with the CVT because the Civic has it as well.
 
Although I agree with you zzyzzx, I also believe that the Accord missed the boat on other fronts as well such as:

*SUV sales
*The publics view of its style(I think it looks okay)
*The Accord has gotten more expensive
*The Accord does not offer AWD
*Also, the public may be missing the more powerful engine options of the previously generation(s)

The Camry also has FLEET SALES such as rental car companies & municipalities etc., which helps keep its sales numbers up, where as Honda does not. Although you may find Honda vehicles in rental car fleets or businesses, Honda does not have an in-house "Fleet Vehicle Sales Program".

Although the Accord still has decent sales numbers(in the grand scheme of sales numbers) for the U.S., its sales numbers are down drastically.
 
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KrisZ said:
I would say the size of the Civic has the biggest impact. I don’t think most buyers are concerned with the CVT because the Civic has it as well.
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My point about that was that if you were comparing an Accord to a Camry that was a big difference. With the Civic your alternates mostly also have a CVT (except for the Trax or Mazda3).
 
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