Ram 1500 EcoDiesel - approved oils

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: pwr2tow
Like I said I'm not that knowledgeable about ACEA classifications but I was told ACEA E9 is a better oil than ACEA C3. The only difference is C3 is slightly lower SAPS then E9.

The argument on SAPS is really only a concern if the engine burns oil? Pretty much the same on any emissions engine be it gas or diesel. Or is it more to due with sludge build up from modern engines running higher temperatures?

How is better oil when you have oils that are C3 and 5W40, made of much better base? For example M1 has 0W40 ESP in Europe that is C3, made out of VISOM base which is ridiculously shear stable with very low NOACK.
On SA level. Logically it sound like oil needs to burn oil to pollute DPF. However, you are forgetting NAOCK (evaporation loss), and T6 has higher NOACK at 12.6%. It is not only ACEA C3 or E9. Most ACEA C3 oils meet other requirements by manufacturers, such as MB 229.51, BMW LL-04 etc. Those requirements are much more stricter then ACEA and especially API.
If I had EcoDiesel: Any 5W40 oil that meets MB 229.51 and ACEA A3/B3 C3 requirements would do for me.

 

[SavagePatch]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Valvoline 5W40 MST goes at NAPA for $4.99 sometimes per quart and it is much more friendlier to DPF and PCV.


Good suggestion! Check out what Valvoline specifically says about the EcoDiesel in the fine print at the bottom. Of course 5w40 is the newly recommended weight, I wonder if their new jugs reflect that.

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally Posted By: SavagePatch
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Valvoline 5W40 MST goes at NAPA for $4.99 sometimes per quart and it is much more friendlier to DPF and PCV.


Good suggestion! Check out what Valvoline specifically says about the EcoDiesel in the fine print at the bottom. Of course 5w40 is the newly recommended weight, I wonder if their new jugs reflect that.



Better question would be why would FCA recommend CJ4/CK4 knowing a supposedly better oil is out there?

Obviously the superior European ACEA C3 OIL isn't working out so well for them. Sacrifice the engine longevity so the emissions can last longer then the engine.

 

[SavagePatch]

I reached out to Valvoline and asked what oil they recommended for the EcoDiesel and here's their response:

Originally Posted By: VALVOLINE
SavagePatch, thank you for contacting Valvoline Product Support with your question.

There has recently been a TSB released for this vehicle. TSB 18-078-16 which states the PCM and TCM need to be reprogrammed at the dealership and the oil cap will receive a viscosity recommendation update. Once this TSB service has been completed, we recommend the use of our Premium Blue Extreme SAE 5W-40 for this applications.


If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us via phone at 800 TEAM VAL or by email at [email protected] for assistance.

Thank you and have a great day.
Zach
Valvoline Product Support



Thank you,



Valvoline Product Support

Ticket Number: 11-845287

Subject: 2014 - 2016 Jeep/Ram 3.0L ECO Diesel Engine Oil Application

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally Posted By: SavagePatch
I reached out to Valvoline and asked what oil they recommended for the EcoDiesel and here's their response:

Originally Posted By: VALVOLINE
SavagePatch, thank you for contacting Valvoline Product Support with your question.

There has recently been a TSB released for this vehicle. TSB 18-078-16 which states the PCM and TCM need to be reprogrammed at the dealership and the oil cap will receive a viscosity recommendation update. Once this TSB service has been completed, we recommend the use of our Premium Blue Extreme SAE 5W-40 for this applications.


If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us via phone at 800 TEAM VAL or by email at [email protected] for assistance.

Thank you and have a great day.
Zach
Valvoline Product Support



Thank you,



Valvoline Product Support

Ticket Number: 11-845287

Subject: 2014 - 2016 Jeep/Ram 3.0L ECO Diesel Engine Oil Application

Thanks you for your contribution.
That's a CJ4/CK4 oil, the correct oil FCA recommends.
I'll bet if you contacted every oil company you will get the same response in their respective brand.

Is their a better European oil out there? Better is subjective to what parts.

 

[Garak]

A TSB to change an oil cap label?

I've seen it all now.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: pwr2tow
Originally Posted By: SavagePatch
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Valvoline 5W40 MST goes at NAPA for $4.99 sometimes per quart and it is much more friendlier to DPF and PCV.


Good suggestion! Check out what Valvoline specifically says about the EcoDiesel in the fine print at the bottom. Of course 5w40 is the newly recommended weight, I wonder if their new jugs reflect that.



Better question would be why would FCA recommend CJ4/CK4 knowing a supposedly better oil is out there?

Obviously the superior European ACEA C3 OIL isn't working out so well for them. Sacrifice the engine longevity so the emissions can last longer then the engine.


You are not sacrificing engine longevity with 5W40 C3. That is bunch of [censored] that people are spreading around. C3 oil have better base stock then E7 or E9 and lower NOACK.
By the way, DPF and SCR system to replace are well above $5K.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Garak
A TSB to change an oil cap label?

I've seen it all now.
Biggest change is reprogramming the shift mapping for the transmission to prevent lugging-but I still can't help thinking FCA is playing a (potentially) expensive guessing game here. Even the infamous 350 Olds diesels didn't destroy MAIN bearings!

 

[Garak]

I saw that part, but I had to gloss over it to make my dig.

 

[SavagePatch]

CarMax put in Carquest Euro 5w40. It meets A3/B4 but I don't it fits the updated spec from FCA. What do you think?



Btw... anybody know who bottles it for Carquest?

 

[Garak]

Generally speaking, an A3/B4 is quite suitable for a diesel, except with the modern emissions components. If this thing called for a C3 originally, then an E7, E9, an A3/B4 starts to ramp up the SA significantly more.

 

[BoiseRob]

Originally Posted By: SavagePatch
CarMax put in Carquest Euro 5w40. It meets A3/B4 but I don't it fits the updated spec from FCA. What do you think?


It's doesn't meet the spec since they're only SN rated oils...

 

[SavagePatch]

Decided to go with Amsoil's Max-Duty 0w40 Diesel. It meets all of the FCA required specs. Interesting that even though it's a 0w40 it's still a tad thicker than Rotella T6 at 40°C and 100°c.