RaceTrac and Murphy USA Gasoline
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I also go by the condition of the gas station. If the place looks like a dump chances are they aren't too worried about replacing their fuel filters on a regular basis.
The Entec stations listed on the Top Tier site are interesting. I have filled up at those in Birmingham, AL before. They have their pump hoses connected through big diesel engine size spin-on fuel filters to basically demonstrate that their gas is "double filtered." Their pumps also dispense about 5-6 different octane rated blends of gas.
The Entec stations listed on the Top Tier site are interesting. I have filled up at those in Birmingham, AL before. They have their pump hoses connected through big diesel engine size spin-on fuel filters to basically demonstrate that their gas is "double filtered." Their pumps also dispense about 5-6 different octane rated blends of gas.
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
You didn't read the post afterwards. Please read everything before posting. but anyhow top tier gas IS NOT marketing. It is simply gasoline that has more detergents than the awfully low gov't minimum levels. It is supported by GM, BMW and other makes.
It is real and a lot of people oo know about it. Chevron, Shell and some others post this at the pump.
I'm sorry, but I read everything... thanks anyway. Maybe if a flawed comparison hadn't been made, there wouldn't be any question.
My apologies for you not understanding what "marketing" is either. It isn't the product, it is the promotion of the product.
You didn't read the post afterwards. Please read everything before posting. but anyhow top tier gas IS NOT marketing. It is simply gasoline that has more detergents than the awfully low gov't minimum levels. It is supported by GM, BMW and other makes.
It is real and a lot of people oo know about it. Chevron, Shell and some others post this at the pump.
I'm sorry, but I read everything... thanks anyway. Maybe if a flawed comparison hadn't been made, there wouldn't be any question.
My apologies for you not understanding what "marketing" is either. It isn't the product, it is the promotion of the product.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
You didn't read the post afterwards. Please read everything before posting. but anyhow top tier gas IS NOT marketing. It is simply gasoline that has more detergents than the awfully low gov't minimum levels. It is supported by GM, BMW and other makes.
It is real and a lot of people oo know about it. Chevron, Shell and some others post this at the pump.
I'm sorry, but I read everything... thanks anyway. Maybe if a flawed comparison hadn't been made, there wouldn't be any question.
My apologies for you not understanding what "marketing" is either. It isn't the product, it is the promotion of the product.
Allrighty then...whatever. Guess a Masters Degree didn't work for me...Bottom line is Top Tier is real and other posters see that and you don't.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
You didn't read the post afterwards. Please read everything before posting. but anyhow top tier gas IS NOT marketing. It is simply gasoline that has more detergents than the awfully low gov't minimum levels. It is supported by GM, BMW and other makes.
It is real and a lot of people oo know about it. Chevron, Shell and some others post this at the pump.
I'm sorry, but I read everything... thanks anyway. Maybe if a flawed comparison hadn't been made, there wouldn't be any question.
My apologies for you not understanding what "marketing" is either. It isn't the product, it is the promotion of the product.
Allrighty then...whatever. Guess a Masters Degree didn't work for me...Bottom line is Top Tier is real and other posters see that and you don't.
I don't own any cars that require any high octane gasoline, just regular 87.
I have had best results of filling up at a station that is busy all the time. I've never had a fuel related problem in any car period.
We don't have top tier gas here in Buffalo, NY. I usually stick with the Delta Sonic car wash gas, its the cheapest in town, and the lines on a weekend are insane.
RaceTrac reminds me of trips to Florida every year. I fill my rental cars up with that gas, again no problems.
A busy gas station with fresh gas, and clean tanks is pretty important to me.
I have had best results of filling up at a station that is busy all the time. I've never had a fuel related problem in any car period.
We don't have top tier gas here in Buffalo, NY. I usually stick with the Delta Sonic car wash gas, its the cheapest in town, and the lines on a weekend are insane.
RaceTrac reminds me of trips to Florida every year. I fill my rental cars up with that gas, again no problems.
A busy gas station with fresh gas, and clean tanks is pretty important to me.
Top Tier is not always Top Cost, by the way, and I'm not talking doing the math with filling up at a Top Tier station vs. using Joe-Bob's Gas-N-Go with your favorite fuel additive.
I spend a lot of time in southern Wisconsin and the Kwik-Trip chain advertises that it's top-tier gas and the prices are usually pretty good. At worst, they're equal to the local Shell or BP's, but usually they're cheaper, and usually in line with Joe-Bob's.
Kwik-Trip Top Tier info
I spend a lot of time in southern Wisconsin and the Kwik-Trip chain advertises that it's top-tier gas and the prices are usually pretty good. At worst, they're equal to the local Shell or BP's, but usually they're cheaper, and usually in line with Joe-Bob's.
Kwik-Trip Top Tier info
Originally Posted By: JustinH
I don't own any cars that require any high octane gasoline, just regular 87.
I have had best results of filling up at a station that is busy all the time. I've never had a fuel related problem in any car period.
We don't have top tier gas here in Buffalo, NY. I usually stick with the Delta Sonic car wash gas, its the cheapest in town, and the lines on a weekend are insane.
RaceTrac reminds me of trips to Florida every year. I fill my rental cars up with that gas, again no problems.
A busy gas station with fresh gas, and clean tanks is pretty important to me.
When I was in Buffalo I avoided the Amherst Delta Sonic like the plague. My cars always ran well on their gas. It did seem to give terrible fuel economy, though. Fueling at a different station, such as Noco or Mobil, eliminated that problem.
I don't own any cars that require any high octane gasoline, just regular 87.
I have had best results of filling up at a station that is busy all the time. I've never had a fuel related problem in any car period.
We don't have top tier gas here in Buffalo, NY. I usually stick with the Delta Sonic car wash gas, its the cheapest in town, and the lines on a weekend are insane.
RaceTrac reminds me of trips to Florida every year. I fill my rental cars up with that gas, again no problems.
A busy gas station with fresh gas, and clean tanks is pretty important to me.
When I was in Buffalo I avoided the Amherst Delta Sonic like the plague. My cars always ran well on their gas. It did seem to give terrible fuel economy, though. Fueling at a different station, such as Noco or Mobil, eliminated that problem.
Near my house, there's a discount gas station and across the street there is a Shell station. Back when I was cheap, I went to the discount gas station because they were 2 cents cheaper. I calculated mileage and payed attention to idle and starting quality. According to the averages, I'm getting 3 more miles per gallon using Shell and noticed idle and starting quality were better.
When gas gets expensive, I laugh at all of the cars packed up at the cheaper gas station fighting for spaces, waiting, stressed out.. etc.
Humans are just dumb.
When gas gets expensive, I laugh at all of the cars packed up at the cheaper gas station fighting for spaces, waiting, stressed out.. etc.
Humans are just dumb.
Originally Posted By: Popinski
When gas gets expensive, I laugh at all of the cars packed up at the cheaper gas station fighting for spaces, waiting, stressed out.. etc.
Humans are just dumb.
I'm with you! I mean sitting in traffic for gas just to save a few pennies is dumb. My time is worth more than a few cents!
When gas gets expensive, I laugh at all of the cars packed up at the cheaper gas station fighting for spaces, waiting, stressed out.. etc.
Humans are just dumb.
I'm with you! I mean sitting in traffic for gas just to save a few pennies is dumb. My time is worth more than a few cents!
FWIW when the pump fuel filters get clogged, the pump works slowly. I doubt it's letting particles get into your tank.
Originally Posted By: cousincletus
FWIW when the pump fuel filters get clogged, the pump works slowly. I doubt it's letting particles get into your tank.
The gas man told me that when pumps are running slow, that means the main gas tanks have just been filled; something about low air when tanks are full. I asked this because he just got done filling the main tanks and my pump was slow.
FWIW when the pump fuel filters get clogged, the pump works slowly. I doubt it's letting particles get into your tank.
The gas man told me that when pumps are running slow, that means the main gas tanks have just been filled; something about low air when tanks are full. I asked this because he just got done filling the main tanks and my pump was slow.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
For example: Conoco is allegedly Top Tier, but its complete [censored]- at least as bad as RaceTrac.
I've never had an issue with any Conoco products. Being Top Tier means at the very least means they are doubling the amount of detergents necessary by law.
It's not a joke: http://www.toptiergas.com/deposit_control.html
I'm not denying that those brands that pay the royalty and use the terminology DO have twice the detergents required by law. Big fat deal.
I want gasoline that has the correct octane, the correct vapor pressure, the correct lubricity for fuel pumps, and that doesn't degrade fuel system materials.... not just a boatload of detergent above and beyond what is sufficient. Conoco may have a load of detergents, but it doesn't run worth a hoot. Exxon and Mobil don't claim to be top tier, but they're better products than Conoco in my experience.
It would kinda be like buying oil just because it claimed that it had 2x the detergent additives required for a particular API rating. But as we all know detergency is only a small part of what makes a good oil and more detergent is not always better. Same for fuels.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
For example: Conoco is allegedly Top Tier, but its complete [censored]- at least as bad as RaceTrac.
I've never had an issue with any Conoco products. Being Top Tier means at the very least means they are doubling the amount of detergents necessary by law.
It's not a joke: http://www.toptiergas.com/deposit_control.html
I'm not denying that those brands that pay the royalty and use the terminology DO have twice the detergents required by law. Big fat deal.
I want gasoline that has the correct octane, the correct vapor pressure, the correct lubricity for fuel pumps, and that doesn't degrade fuel system materials.... not just a boatload of detergent above and beyond what is sufficient. Conoco may have a load of detergents, but it doesn't run worth a hoot. Exxon and Mobil don't claim to be top tier, but they're better products than Conoco in my experience.
It would kinda be like buying oil just because it claimed that it had 2x the detergent additives required for a particular API rating. But as we all know detergency is only a small part of what makes a good oil and more detergent is not always better. Same for fuels.
Magnum YOU are not listening to the informed when it comes to gasoline and the differences...
The BASE gas you buy is THE SAME product wherever you go in a region. You buy from Brand X or Name Brand a 20 miles away it is the SAME product. The only differences are the detergency level. I can also tell you that you can find very new and clean discount stations (with well kept equipment) and [censored] name brand stations owned by a franchisee.
The best thing to do is look for a well maintained station. If you go to the Brand X station as your regular choice just make sure you put a bottle of PEA cleaner in the tank ever 3 or 4k .
The BASE gas you buy is THE SAME product wherever you go in a region. You buy from Brand X or Name Brand a 20 miles away it is the SAME product. The only differences are the detergency level. I can also tell you that you can find very new and clean discount stations (with well kept equipment) and [censored] name brand stations owned by a franchisee.
The best thing to do is look for a well maintained station. If you go to the Brand X station as your regular choice just make sure you put a bottle of PEA cleaner in the tank ever 3 or 4k .
Vizzy, you may want to be careful in arguing that all gas in one area is the same. I can tell you for a fact that gasoline here is not the same, varying depending on which refinery it was made at (there are two located in this area, both with fuel terminals) or if it came via pipeline.
For a while, the Lung Association tested fuel from three brands in the Twin Cities, each with a distinct source. While they all met octane and ethanol standards, the actual makeup was quite different.
As to whether top tier makes any difference, none of my car manufacturers endorsed top tier fuels, so frankly I don't care and have not had a problem.
It all depends on the local market, but at east in our case it is clearly not all the same (and one can tell sometimes just by smell!).
For a while, the Lung Association tested fuel from three brands in the Twin Cities, each with a distinct source. While they all met octane and ethanol standards, the actual makeup was quite different.
As to whether top tier makes any difference, none of my car manufacturers endorsed top tier fuels, so frankly I don't care and have not had a problem.
It all depends on the local market, but at east in our case it is clearly not all the same (and one can tell sometimes just by smell!).
Originally Posted By: Popinski
According to the averages, I'm getting 3 more miles per gallon using Shell and noticed idle and starting quality were better.
wow! WOW!!
Just to make sure I have not misunderstood your claim, how many tanks were used for this experiment with the discount gas versus the shell? Was this repeatable??
- Vikas
According to the averages, I'm getting 3 more miles per gallon using Shell and noticed idle and starting quality were better.
wow! WOW!!
Just to make sure I have not misunderstood your claim, how many tanks were used for this experiment with the discount gas versus the shell? Was this repeatable??
- Vikas
I recently filled my car, a 1996 Contour 2.0L Zetec, which gets 29+mpg with Quick Check gas, with Shell top tier gas. With the Quick Check gas with my local driving I get 29 mpg. With the Shell I got 19 mpg! The driving with the Shell was actually more highway than usually with the Quick Check gas. I just refilled with Shell, from a different station, to see if the mpg improves. Then I'll use the Quick Check gas again and see what my mpg is. I add FP60 to every tank of gas I get.
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wife continues to use RaceTrac exclusively in her Tahoe because it is right around the corner-no amout logic will sway her opinion. I drive the truck about 4 times a year just before an oil change and it runs fine. It's the 5.3 LSX engine-
Up until 2 months ago, the Corvettes used Shell Super exclusively-then one weekend just after filling up there was a noticeable degradation of performance in both of them. I am thinking Shell Super was not Super at all and probably Shell regular. Never been back to the station since then and use BP SUper instead. I think it may be an issue with the station rather than the brand of gas used
Steve
Up until 2 months ago, the Corvettes used Shell Super exclusively-then one weekend just after filling up there was a noticeable degradation of performance in both of them. I am thinking Shell Super was not Super at all and probably Shell regular. Never been back to the station since then and use BP SUper instead. I think it may be an issue with the station rather than the brand of gas used
Steve
My Honda and GM both agree, TopTier, and I can get it a block away dirt cheap. It would be kind of dumb not to use it.
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