R.I.P. Police Officer Melvin Santiago

[FowVay]

That's absolutely right, Dave. We can watch police kill or cripple people on a daily basis and they still expect to be regarded as heroes. It's a terrible shame and a huge embarassment.

I am personally sick and tired of seeing the Police conduct themselves like gang members and then expect to be respected. Sorry, I'm not blind to my surroundings. I share no respect for them.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Well. When you lose someone close to you at the hand of your fellow man your first reaction is to lash out at the party you feel is responsible.

That's exactly it, and that happens even when that someone to blame was only there after the fact. Besides, it's easier to blame someone else than it is to blame the person in the mirror.

 

[pbm]

Originally Posted By: R80RS
Originally Posted By: Donald
What a shame. Too many crazy people with guns.


The perp stole the weapon from the armed private guard after severely beating him, prior to robbing the pharmacy.




Too many crazy people with reproductive organs and no shame in using them and then living off the dole (and then being bitter because you are a loser)....

PS:
A lot of the animosity towards the police stems from the fact that they are being used as revenue collector's via the traffic ticket writing process. A few years ago a young officer in my area died in a crash (flipped his SUV) while chasing a vehicle that was going 20 over the limit (75 in a 55)....I wonder if he was ever taught about 'risk versus reward'?

 

[BISCUT]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Inspecktor
Unbelievable- I saw the story of the killer's wife wishing he could have killed more cops before he died.


She has since apologized and has said she will love her dead husband until she dies. I do not blame her for being emotional. She met her husband on her high school graduation day and has been with him since.

Her husband on the other hand was very selfish.


How in any way would a widow's grief logically lead her to state she wished more cops (or anyone for that matter) had been killed? That is not being emotional, that statement reveals a pure hatred toward a certain group of people.

I suggest you refocus your thought train and see her comments for what they are, extremely biased and hateful.

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: BISCUT

How in any way would a widow's grief logically lead her to state she wished more cops (or anyone for that matter) had been killed? That is not being emotional, that statement reveals a pure hatred toward a certain group of people.

I suggest you refocus your thought train and see her comments for what they are, extremely biased and hateful.


This.

Think about it for a minute. It is like Hitler's wife saying "I wish he had killed more Jews".

 

[lawman1909]

You say you "share no respect for them." You advertise as a military veteran, doing basically the same as an LEO, just protecting our country and what we believe. What does the military do as well? It has been proven in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait that soldiers just shoot dogs for the fun of it, and leave them to rot. Then they have the guts to mess with KIDS!! Kicking them, and calling them names in their native languages.. The military is more corrupt. But that is not what this is about. It is about the general idea of what we believe. I am sure you didnt join the armed forces to serve your country. I am sure like 99% of other guys you joined for the excitement, and the hope of combat. The idea of policing is amazing, and like the military 99% of the men and women who serve it actually care and want to do good. But just like both military and LE, the only things that seem to make the news and air is the bad, the 1%. Think about it. A young 23 YO man doing his job rightly, then murdered. Then you say you have no respect. Pitiful. Make our veteran community proud, not ashamed.

 

[Tempest]

I have plenty of issues with how police conduct themselves, but it appears that this officer was properly acting in the role of peace officer in responding to the beating of the security guard.

Proper respect should be paid to those that keep peace in our society.

Quote:
“Surveillance cameras showed Campbell walked outside and spoke to a witness, at which time he apologized for his conduct in Walgreens and then subsequently told the witness to watch the news later today because he was going to be famous,” Fulop said.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/13/c...-armed-robbery/

Media culture strikes again.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: BISCUT
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Inspecktor
Unbelievable- I saw the story of the killer's wife wishing he could have killed more cops before he died.


She has since apologized and has said she will love her dead husband until she dies. I do not blame her for being emotional. She met her husband on her high school graduation day and has been with him since.

Her husband on the other hand was very selfish.


How in any way would a widow's grief logically lead her to state she wished more cops (or anyone for that matter) had been killed? That is not being emotional, that statement reveals a pure hatred toward a certain group of people.

I suggest you refocus your thought train and see her comments for what they are, extremely biased and hateful.


You have answered your own post. A young woman who lost her husband and high school sweetheart is not going to be logical in regards to her husband's unexpected death. Having known more than a few young widows I am concerned when they are not emotional.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: lawman1909
You say you "share no respect for them." You advertise as a military veteran, doing basically the same as an LEO, just protecting our country and what we believe. What does the military do as well? It has been proven in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait that soldiers just shoot dogs for the fun of it, and leave them to rot. Then they have the guts to mess with KIDS!! Kicking them, and calling them names in their native languages.. The military is more corrupt. But that is not what this is about. It is about the general idea of what we believe. I am sure you didnt join the armed forces to serve your country. I am sure like 99% of other guys you joined for the excitement, and the hope of combat. The idea of policing is amazing, and like the military 99% of the men and women who serve it actually care and want to do good. But just like both military and LE, the only things that seem to make the news and air is the bad, the 1%. Think about it. A young 23 YO man doing his job rightly, then murdered. Then you say you have no respect. Pitiful. Make our veteran community proud, not ashamed.


I agree the minority of law enforcement officers are feeding the perception that the police is a bunch of thugs.

It also seems that the individuals that are committing the wrongdoing are rarely punished unless someone actually captures the offending officer of camera.

The saddest part is from the story a very young man that seemed committed to making a difference and doing right was murdered. Young men and women like this are truly precious because there are very few.

 

[FowVay]

Lawman1909, if you don't know the difference between what a military members does and what a civilian law enforcement member does then you're pretty far removed from reality.

No, they're not the same. No, they don't deserve the same respect. And NO, I don't have respect for cops.

And one more thing, I don't 'advertise' anything. This forum has the decency to honor those who have served in this country's military. I don't go around telling people that they should respect me or try to push my warped sense of thuggery on people because I wear a badge and know that they can't touch me without being charged with a felony. I have a much stronger sense of self-worth than that.

If you don't like how some people feel about thug cops then that's just tough!

 

[surfstar]

I would like to add that neither of the deceased are going to [censored], as that place doesn't exist.


Quite a bit of "R" gets posted freely here it seems.

 

[pbm]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
I would like to add that neither of the deceased are going to [censored], as that place doesn't exist.


Quite a bit of "R" gets posted freely here it seems.



I'd feel like I was already in he** if I had to live where they needed armed security guards in a drug store. Unfortunately, more and more of America is becoming that way.

 

[29662]

I don't understand the hero worship that many people have for police given their conduct nowadays. I have personally witnessed police officers assault and steal from those they knew could not defend themselves. And then be defended by other "good" police officers. They (police) are given far too much power in this country; and they wholeheartedly abuse it knowing they are immune from legal repercussions. He knowingly took a dangerous job, he knew the risks, as did his family.

Statistically speaking Americans are 29 times more likely to be murdered by a police officer than by a "terrorist"..

They have become more of a problem than the "criminals".. Their behavior engenders ditrust of themselves, the law, and society.

He (the PO) should be mourned as a human being, not because of his position.

 

[lawman1909]

Did I say that the two were the same? Didn't think so... And I could give [censored] what others think of LE.. As long as the paycheck is there bi-weekly we are happy. But the real message is that LE, Fire, EMS, Military all are faced with so much more danger than anyone else in society. I think it is disgusting when someone is murdered, especially someone in the field of public safety, and military.

 

[lawman1909]

Who said they one of them was going to [censored]?

 

[BISCUT]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: BISCUT
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Inspecktor
Unbelievable- I saw the story of the killer's wife wishing he could have killed more cops before he died.


She has since apologized and has said she will love her dead husband until she dies. I do not blame her for being emotional. She met her husband on her high school graduation day and has been with him since.

Her husband on the other hand was very selfish.


How in any way would a widow's grief logically lead her to state she wished more cops (or anyone for that matter) had been killed? That is not being emotional, that statement reveals a pure hatred toward a certain group of people.

I suggest you refocus your thought train and see her comments for what they are, extremely biased and hateful.


You have answered your own post. A young woman who lost her husband and high school sweetheart is not going to be logical in regards to her husband's unexpected death. Having known more than a few young widows I am concerned when they are not emotional.


Your logic is flawed and your argument weak at best. Under your logic Sir, a white supremacist widow, whose husband she adored and were high school sweethearts, would be perfectly understandable if she were to say I only wish he would have been able to kill more of them Jews or Black people before he was killed.

No matter what the emotional toll a person is under, hatred is hatred. This woman has a hatred and she displayed it for the world to see.

You can keep opening up the umbrella to justify, but no matter how wide your umbrella gets, her hatred of a group remains as constant in the argument.

 

[BISCUT]

Originally Posted By: 29662
I don't understand the hero worship that many people have for police given their conduct nowadays. I have personally witnessed police officers assault and steal from those they knew could not defend themselves. And then be defended by other "good" police officers. They (police) are given far too much power in this country; and they wholeheartedly abuse it knowing they are immune from legal repercussions. He knowingly took a dangerous job, he knew the risks, as did his family.

Statistically speaking Americans are 29 times more likely to be murdered by a police officer than by a "terrorist"..

They have become more of a problem than the "criminals".. Their behavior engenders ditrust of themselves, the law, and society.

He (the PO) should be mourned as a human being, not because of his position.


You personally witnessed police officers (you say plural) assault and steal from those they knew could not defend themselves.... What happened when you reported these occurrences? I'm sure you wouldn't let your fellow man be robbed and assaulted without at least notifying any of the federal or state or local agencies that investigate these matters. Who did you report it to? There would be a case number, Internal Affairs number, event number....please, do tell.

By the way, you knowingly get in a car and drive every day, full aware of the dangers that could be awaiting you. So if you, someone you know or someone you love, were hop in a car today and be killed form one of those dangers; so be it. You/they knew the risk and accepted it when you/they turned the key. Doesn't quite sound right, but that is your sentiment portrayed with different actors.

 

[FowVay]

Originally Posted By: lawman1909
"You advertise as a military veteran, doing basically the same as an LEO,"

"I am sure you didnt join the armed forces to serve your country. I am sure like 99% of other guys you joined for the excitement, and the hope of combat."


Here are two quotes from your previous post. If you're not stating that you believe the work of a civilian policeman is the same as the work of a military member then maybe your expression of the english language could use some improvement. To use the words "doing basically the same" is what I am centering on.

They're not basically the same, they're not even remotely related. One wages war... WAR! The other enforces rules and codes of a civil society. I don't know what else to say about this other than maybe you should spend a month with an active front-line combat unit where you sleep in dirt, eat dirt, shower with dirt, sweat your tail off and never know what the next minute is going to bring. When you come back to your home town, your own home, your wife and kids, your cat and dog, your friends at the bar, your church, etc,,, tell me how these two jobs are the same. You sleep in your own bed every single night and not in a makeshift bunk 8,000 miles away in a desert that nobody cares about. The more I think about this the more I realize that YOU'RE the one who is insulting to veterans.

And as for me joining the military in hopes of seeing combat.. ARE YOU FREAKIN' CRAZY? You're truly what gives cops a bad name.. and unfortunately there are far too many like you wearing a badge.. if you truly are wearing a badge.

 

[Doog]

 

[dave1251]

Your logic is lazy and without experience to expect a human to act logically and without emotion within a few hours of learning your partner was killed.

Her emotional response would have likely been the same if a "thug" killed her husband. Replace police with "thug".

I fail to see how you expect someone to be calculated and without emotional immediately following the death of your significant other.