I like that 24 Mercedes AMG GLC 43. 2L engine with electric turbo in the video.The short Jalopnik article is titled "Tesla Is Struggling To Find New Buyers" and links to a Business Insider article that goes further into the topic.
This quote from Business Insider seems accurate, at least it describes my thoughts about an EV. I'm open to the idea of an EV but not interested in cutting edge driver interface tech just for the sake of tech. EG: turn signals on the tablet or whatever.
Pretty sure we have one BITOG Tesla bro.
Quick read on Jalopnik about Tesla
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Not everyone want an easy to drive vehicle. IMO if you want a car that drives itself take a cab or get on the bus, both have about the same level of enjoyment.
I hear ya, one has to define easy. I find any car with an automatic transmission an easy to drive car. If you're talking self driving, no thanks, the technology still has a long way to go. Difficult to drive, a stick for some, those could cripple an entire generation of drivers. I find driving mine enjoyable.
I don't have the self driving option. It was available for free for a month and I tried it twice within half an hour. I didn't like it and turned it off. What I do like is the 1 pedal driving, and (dare I say it) the ease of charging. I also like the instant acceleration.
As for manual transmissions, I have a Honda Accord V6 6 speed manual. Doesn't get more manual than that. Yes it's a challenge and enjoyable but 1 pedal driving has its own challenges - when do you let off on the accelerator to come to a stop at the stop sign at the bottom of a hill (without touching the brakes)? Try it. There are several factors: how fast you're going when you let off, and even how many passengers are in the car. Many trips I never touch the brakes.
My big gripe is that a few posters on here go on and on about how great Tesla is yet story after story show how terribly they treat their customers. A guy bought a new Cybertruck and it was in the shop longer than he owned it. Tesla couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. He finally tweeted Musk. The second one was just as terrible as the first. If he didn't have a youtube presence Tesla wouldn't have cared. Another guy picked his up with a half charge. When he plugged in at a supercharger station on his way home it started leaking battery pack coolant, this is with 35 miles on it. He was told by a Tesla employee that battery pack coolant leak isn't covered under warranty. He had to tweet the Muskrat to get anything done. A recent article said 50% of Tesla customers are trading their Tesla for a gas model vehicle.The short Jalopnik article is titled "Tesla Is Struggling To Find New Buyers" and links to a Business Insider article that goes further into the topic.
This quote from Business Insider seems accurate, at least it describes my thoughts about an EV. I'm open to the idea of an EV but not interested in cutting edge driver interface tech just for the sake of tech. EG: turn signals on the tablet or whatever.
Pretty sure we have one BITOG Tesla bro.
In Dec 2018 Tesla delivered our new car to our door. About a year ago a tech came out to our house and replaced the 12v battery for $120 all in and did an end-to-end inspection.
Just got the new M3P. Drove to Fremont (just up the road from here), they gave us water, coffee, snacks. A tour of the factory and then signed a few doc's on an iPad and a few on paper. Bank transfer, trade in, registration was seamless. Then gal escorted us to our car.
Soooo easy.
edyvw
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Well, the CEO of TESLA decided to sue companies for not advertising on X. So I guess you guys better brace yourself bcs. if you don’t buy TESLA car, he is suing you. Someone needs to pick up those cars from lots.
That is that genius. Just sue people if they don’t want to do business with you.
That is that genius. Just sue people if they don’t want to do business with you.
He does have a way of pissing people off, and then there are people who think he's going to save the world. The way I see it his competition is growing, and slowly taking sales away, I hope it continues.
Locally 3 people I know just picked up Model Y as first EV.
GON
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What you posted does not holistically reflect what is published in numerous articles across multiple media platforms on the lawsuit from Twitter against an organization that punishes media organizations that allow free speech/ do not sensor content to meet an "agenda".
I know the PRC very much aligns and relentlessly enforces censorship. There is a reason our founding fathers made free speech the very first amendment.
edyvw
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Who punishes media organizations?
Free speech is a two-way street, and in the Constitution, it relates to government. Elon's talk about free speech is just for ignorant masses since it is his private company and he can decide, and he does, what he will publish and what not.
What happened here is that genius realized two years later that he paid $44bln for a company that was worth, in most optimistic scenarios, $22bln and, in reality, probably $8bln. Most companies don't want their ad being published next to threads glorifying Hitler, and that is why they pulled back, and that is why there were calls for companies to stop publishing ads. Organizations that called out Elon Musk, ALSO have right to free speech! So, he can sue them, but his case has same chances as Space-X populating Mars or Cybertruck being real truck.
GON
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. One of us is talking to a hand, I won't pass judgement which if us is. I will slip away from further dialogue with you.
edyvw
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Musk/Tesla for the opinion/OK/love/hate title!
I don’t like any of the self drive stuff either. I will say a Tesla is extremely easy to drive just because of the design of the easy entry and exit modes. If all you’re doing is driving, it’s just get in, select drive and hit the pedal. They’ve removed as many steps as possible from approaching the car to actually moving.
Well we agree on the self drive stuff. Sorry an EV is not my cup of tea, and unless ICE goes away before I leave this world the only thing electric I might own is a golf cart, and that could be a stretch. A Hybrid might be in the cards if it is the only option available to me if all ICE is no longer an option, and I can only choose between an EV and a Hybrid.
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There is coolant, right? Brake fluid? Refrigerant? Rubber bushings? Shocks/struts? 90% of what needs to be done on a regular car needs to be done on an EV. Only the obsolescence of power converters and refit of batteries is more complex.
There is all of this, but who else other than all of us more enthusiast level people are doing any of it? I don’t know anyone that replaces brake fluid and I’m looked at like I have 2 heads when I say I maintain this in all my cars by the average person.
Coolant isn’t a high pressure system that sees the same stresses as a combustion engine. It doesn’t even have a change interval, though I will change that at some point too. There is gear oil that I would prefer to replace at 50k and likely will.
The benefit is the long life of the components and the lack of regular fluid changes combined with cheap power. I did a lot of math out to figure out my total costs when I considered replacing the GTI. In operating costs alone it would save me $1,000 a year and that car gets 36mpg. That just fuel and scheduled maintenance vs electricity. Anything beyond that would be either the same or not needed at all.
I should add that this is why I don’t like buying used cars that are more than a couple years old. I have a lot of concern about people not following basic maintenance and most manufacturers other than German ones don’t service the basic stuff. They’re all “lifetime” fill or 100k services. I don’t trust the set it and forget it mentality the general public are ok with. I tend to be very in tune with how any of my vehicles or equipment work and actively fix things based on sound and feel and do a lot of preventative maintenance.
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Look at Manheim or other car auctions. Alot of Teslas come in with minor damage but are "totalled" according to insurance adjusters as A) the ridiculous time frame to get parts B) Figuring out what parts it needs as they change parts so often using the guise of "improvement" C) Musk claims he wants to "save the planet " but Teslas are more or less designed like the BIC lighter of the car world i.e. disposable. Then add every Tesla driver rides your bumper, cuts in and out of traffic like they're the most important person on the road.The short Jalopnik article is titled "Tesla Is Struggling To Find New Buyers" and links to a Business Insider article that goes further into the topic.
This quote from Business Insider seems accurate, at least it describes my thoughts about an EV. I'm open to the idea of an EV but not interested in cutting edge driver interface tech just for the sake of tech. EG: turn signals on the tablet or whatever.
Pretty sure we have one BITOG Tesla bro.
Lexus, Mercedes, heck even a number of independent dealerships do this for customers for free. This isn't a special Tesla only service. Again you make it sound like Tesla is the only company that provides this service. Did Tesla buy you a pizza, breadsticks, and a 2 liter soda? The VW dealership that I worked for did for a family buying a vehicle, on more than one occasion.
