Question on Auto Rx...is it working?
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Clean is a visual thing, pretty basic. Nothing at all wrong with having a look if possible. I guess its an American thing, LOL.
If you have been following in the PCMO oil thread about the Nissan we are going to do an ARX compression test before/after and also do pictures in the valve cover through the oil fill hole to see what it does for the sludge that is in there...
Heavy sludge in the valvetrain, especially with any kind of VVT actuator, will make an engine run like a turd and can cause all kinds of issues, especially if the oil return holes get plugged. If you spent $30 bucks on a product that is marketed to CLEAN SLUDGE, wouldn't you want it to CLEAN SLUDGE from the top of a cylinder head?
I guess when you take a car to a mechanic to clean a sludged engine, he'd be a real idiot to remove the valve covers and clean the sludge.
I guess when you take a car to a mechanic to clean a sludged engine, he'd be a real idiot to remove the valve covers and clean the sludge.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
do pictures in the valve cover through the oil fill hole to see what it does for the sludge that is in there...
I guess you Canadians are dumb too! Always wanting visual proof and stuff.
do pictures in the valve cover through the oil fill hole to see what it does for the sludge that is in there...
I guess you Canadians are dumb too! Always wanting visual proof and stuff.
Yup Eh?
With respect to the original photos, and as others have pointed out, we don't know how sludged and/or varnished the internals were in the first place. We see a varnished dipstick and a sludged cap and baffle.
Perhaps the inside is now clean. Perhaps it already was clean. It's hard to judge a product as either good or bad based solely on a baffled oil fill hole. We don't know the current conditions, much less the previous conditions. We're comparing an unknown to an unknown?
Regardless, I think the oil fill cap and the baffle will only be served by a manual cleaning or taken off and soaked in solvent. Yes, splashing does occur, at least to some degree. It's not going to be as effective as regular contact.
If I wish to clean a part, I tend to dip it in solvent and clean it. I don't bolt it to the ceiling and fling cups of solvent at it. That might work, but it's not going to be a quick process.
Perhaps the inside is now clean. Perhaps it already was clean. It's hard to judge a product as either good or bad based solely on a baffled oil fill hole. We don't know the current conditions, much less the previous conditions. We're comparing an unknown to an unknown?
Regardless, I think the oil fill cap and the baffle will only be served by a manual cleaning or taken off and soaked in solvent. Yes, splashing does occur, at least to some degree. It's not going to be as effective as regular contact.
If I wish to clean a part, I tend to dip it in solvent and clean it. I don't bolt it to the ceiling and fling cups of solvent at it. That might work, but it's not going to be a quick process.
Originally Posted By: Garak
If I wish to clean a part, I tend to dip it in solvent and clean it. I don't bolt it to the ceiling and fling cups of solvent at it. That might work, but it's not going to be a quick process.
Sorry, this warrants being seen twice
Thank you for making my Monday a little better.
If I wish to clean a part, I tend to dip it in solvent and clean it. I don't bolt it to the ceiling and fling cups of solvent at it. That might work, but it's not going to be a quick process.
Sorry, this warrants being seen twice
Thank you for making my Monday a little better.
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: StevieC
And I'm fine with that... Show me a picture of the galleries below a valve-cover.
And if it can clean rings/piston sides which are usually splash fed, then why can't it clean valve covers?
Just a thought...
Good question, don't know. I only know that ARX cleaned rings and restored factory compression in my 1996 cavalier.
The maintenance dose improved compression on my two 2.3L engines that had 15k on them.
How down was compression on engines w/ 15K?
Originally Posted By: StevieC
And I'm fine with that... Show me a picture of the galleries below a valve-cover.
And if it can clean rings/piston sides which are usually splash fed, then why can't it clean valve covers?
Just a thought...
Good question, don't know. I only know that ARX cleaned rings and restored factory compression in my 1996 cavalier.
The maintenance dose improved compression on my two 2.3L engines that had 15k on them.
How down was compression on engines w/ 15K?
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
I used to use maintence doses of auto rx. I dont any more. Ive got 8 bottles sitting on the self.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah, I have two bottle of Auto-RX sitting around and I don't know what to do with them. I have been using Pennzoil Ultra and the next time I change oil I think I will add a small bottle of MMO.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=7&page=1
I used to use maintence doses of auto rx. I dont any more. Ive got 8 bottles sitting on the self.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah, I have two bottle of Auto-RX sitting around and I don't know what to do with them. I have been using Pennzoil Ultra and the next time I change oil I think I will add a small bottle of MMO.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=7&page=1
Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
Originally Posted By: Garak
If I wish to clean a part, I tend to dip it in solvent and clean it. I don't bolt it to the ceiling and fling cups of solvent at it. That might work, but it's not going to be a quick process.
Sorry, this warrants being seen twice
Thank you for making my Monday a little better.
No problem.
In any case, it's true. In my thread about my Audi valve cover gaskets, my valve cover was in the same boat. The engine is far from sludged, but the baffle and oil cap are a mess. I could run Kreen, MMO, or ARX for the next 100,000 miles and I doubt it would help that specific issue. Splash cleaning of a part designed in such a fashion cannot be expected to be a fast process. It doesn't matter whether the product works as advertised or is snake oil; it's not a feasible expectation.
The way mine is designed, I'd have enough trouble cleaning it with a parts washer or whatever else I could cobble together, let alone relying on splash lubrication to fix the problem.
Originally Posted By: Garak
If I wish to clean a part, I tend to dip it in solvent and clean it. I don't bolt it to the ceiling and fling cups of solvent at it. That might work, but it's not going to be a quick process.
Sorry, this warrants being seen twice
Thank you for making my Monday a little better.
No problem.
In any case, it's true. In my thread about my Audi valve cover gaskets, my valve cover was in the same boat. The engine is far from sludged, but the baffle and oil cap are a mess. I could run Kreen, MMO, or ARX for the next 100,000 miles and I doubt it would help that specific issue. Splash cleaning of a part designed in such a fashion cannot be expected to be a fast process. It doesn't matter whether the product works as advertised or is snake oil; it's not a feasible expectation.
The way mine is designed, I'd have enough trouble cleaning it with a parts washer or whatever else I could cobble together, let alone relying on splash lubrication to fix the problem.
bugger all if you wanna treat us as punters
UPDATE:
Just hit 85,000 miles and my XC70 is still running awesome. Just changed the oil and found some odd black gritty stuff in the filter. It appears to be carbon and is hard and gritty. Looks and feel like a burned hamburger. Here are some pictures as well as the link to the latest UOA:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2683388#Post2683388
Just hit 85,000 miles and my XC70 is still running awesome. Just changed the oil and found some odd black gritty stuff in the filter. It appears to be carbon and is hard and gritty. Looks and feel like a burned hamburger. Here are some pictures as well as the link to the latest UOA:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2683388#Post2683388
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
UPDATE:
Looks and feel like a burned hamburger.
It probably taste the same
UPDATE:
Looks and feel like a burned hamburger.
It probably taste the same
Wow 2 years later. No offense, I went the A-Rx route too, and was disappointed. A lot can happen in 2 years, look how popular Kreen became in the past 2 years. Odds are in 2 months you'd have accomplished a better cleanup using Kreen. JMO
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Clean is a visual thing, pretty basic. Nothing at all wrong with having a look if possible. I guess its an American thing, LOL.
I wonder if the ARX guys count on us NOT looking?
If you really believe a product might do something you tend to help it any way you can.
ARX was a complete waste of my time. But I'm just another dumb American.
Clean is a visual thing, pretty basic. Nothing at all wrong with having a look if possible. I guess its an American thing, LOL.
I wonder if the ARX guys count on us NOT looking?
If you really believe a product might do something you tend to help it any way you can.
ARX was a complete waste of my time. But I'm just another dumb American.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Clean is a visual thing, pretty basic. Nothing at all wrong with having a look if possible. I guess its an American thing, LOL.
I wonder if the ARX guys count on us NOT looking?
If you really believe a product might do something you tend to help it any way you can.
ARX was a complete waste of my time. But I'm just another dumb American.
You mean blind faith? LOL Yea they'd like that. I got suckered in too, funny thing was I went against my gut feeling, and every time I do I get burnt. Live and learn, and share your experiences here for the benefit of others. Its all good!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Clean is a visual thing, pretty basic. Nothing at all wrong with having a look if possible. I guess its an American thing, LOL.
I wonder if the ARX guys count on us NOT looking?
If you really believe a product might do something you tend to help it any way you can.
ARX was a complete waste of my time. But I'm just another dumb American.
You mean blind faith? LOL Yea they'd like that. I got suckered in too, funny thing was I went against my gut feeling, and every time I do I get burnt. Live and learn, and share your experiences here for the benefit of others. Its all good!
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