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In MA you need a class D license to install low voltage wiring or to pull wiring permits. The laws have been on the books , but only recently have they been enforced. A license I got for just signing a form in 1988, has been putting groceries on the table for the last 5 years. I have to take update courses to keep the license active. To get the license today, requires 300 hrs of school, a test, and 2000 hrs of apprenticeship. I also need to pass a safety test every 3 yrs. Most states now have some thing similar. My current job is pulling permits and conducting inspections with the electrical inspector or the fire dept. A great job for a 60 yr guy with medical issues. I am making less money than I did in my previous career, but I am a very happy camper. It beats bagging groceries or flipping burgers.
 
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
So I start college in the fall and am curious. I'm going for auto tech. Should I take auto tech and get certificate or should I take about 2 1/2 years and get an associates degree in auto tech . What would you do


First off, you'll be attending a trade school, not college. There is a big difference between the two.

Have you really thought about where you want to be when you're 50? 55? 60? Have you talked to people who have made auto/diesel tech a career and are now in the 50+ age bracket?

I don't see many 50 year old auto techs, and the ones that I do see seem to be burnt out from the job, therefore I'd be concerned about the long term prospects in the field. Your late 40's and 50's time period is when you start making some serious money, and if that's about the time you start getting burnt out and looking for a career change it will make a huge impact on your future earnings and retirement.

By all means, if that's the career choice you've made and you really love doing it, then more education is always better. Remember though, there are much better career choices available, even in the trades. And by all means, please don't walk into a tire shop, get a job there, and pretend that makes you a real auto technician.

What seems fun as a hobby now may turn into a mind numbing grind when you do it for a living. Keep that in mind as you plot out your future and your career path. Keep in mind too that no one ever became wealthy by wrenching on cars. However, quite a few became wealthy by owning the chain of shops that employ the mechanics.
 
Originally Posted By: andyd
In MA you need a class D license to install low voltage wiring or to pull wiring permits. The laws have been on the books , but only recently have they been enforced. A license I got for just signing a form in 1988, has been putting groceries on the table for the last 5 years.


This! They will put barriers to entry up. My inspection mechanic license took six months to get just because the state police couldn't be bothered to put a test group together. I did nothing with it for a year and a half but was glad I already had it.

I was reading MO's rulebook, looks a lot like Maine's. You never know if with the economy being the way it is they'll lobby to make it stricter, as Mass did with electricians in Andy's example. However if you're already licensed and/or working in the industry you can bet you'll be protected and grandfathered in.

But every shop has a service writer you could aspire to with enough years experience and it's not impossible in this country to hang your own shingle out when you get good enough.

The point about hobbies and burning out is good. The flipside is if you like what you do for work it's hardly work.

I don't think one can find a job that will be the same in 45 years. "Most" people switch jobs every decade as industries peak and wane. How much gasoline will there be in ten, twenty, forty years?
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: morris
DO NOT IN ANY WAY GET MONEY FROM sallie mae. any student loan can NOT be removed by bankruptcy.


This is what is wrong with today's generation. I paid for my college education by working 2 jobs and going to school at night.


It's a combination of ridiculous pricing structure, poor planning on part of the students (and parents if so inclined), and the I deserve society we live in.

And depending upon major, it isn't possible. I got an engineering degree from a top ten ranked school - it was very rigorous, with a very specific schedule and no flexibility for that kind of stuff.

IMO the OP likely can (and absolutely should if at all possible) work to pay directly through (same for the fiancée).

But you can't label all majors and situations as practical to do this...
 
Originally Posted By: hr1940
Take some business courses so that in the future you will be able to own your own shop if you decide to. There are more opportunities if you are familiar with all aspects of running a business as well as having an ASE certification.


Also, do not neglect your general education.

I know a very good mechanic (about 27 years old) who is hamstrung by his functional illiteracy. He can't move up any further at the shop he works at and certainly cannot run his own business (his long term goal) because of this.

I've been tutoring him for about 4 months now. He tested at a 2nd grade reading level when we started. He's now around 6th grade but it required us starting essentially from scratch. He had never learned phonics so we started with that. We're working on diagramming sentences right now.

My point, like Helen's being, don't specialize in the actual repair side of the field at the expense of everything else.
 
Do they have Day Release programs in the U.S.?
This is where an apprentice works for a moderate wage on the shop floor, and is sent to school one or two days a week.
A great program mixing 'real life' with academia. You may quickly learn where your career might lead, if it's 'for you' and reduce your student loan (or even not incur one at all)

http://www.fanshawec.ca/programs-courses/full-time-programs/ast4-intro
 
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Originally Posted By: morris
DO NOT IN ANY WAY GET MONEY FROM sallie mae. any student loan can NOT be removed by bankruptcy.


This is what is wrong with today's generation. I paid for my college education by working 2 jobs and going to school at night.


School at night does not apply to typical programs. They are becoming more flexible though.

Working a job or two was possible to cover tuition($8k/year) at my University 15 years ago. However today $8k is now $15k(instate!). The job wages have not doubled at my university area or anywhere else for that manner.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit

First off, you'll be attending a trade school, not college. There is a big difference between the two.


perhaps in the past, today, there are actual universities that have auto/diesel programs. one happens to be in my town, see my previous post. it is a real university, and you can get just a diploma, or an associates or bachelors degrees in auto, diesel, high performance motorsport, etc.

Originally Posted By: rjundi


School at night does not apply to typical programs. They are becoming more flexible though.


UNOH has classes 24hr day. I worked thirds nearby long enough to know there is a break between classes around 2:30 am, and the kids hit the open places for their "lunch"
 
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If I was giving advise I'd say take a general associates and then work on your trade program. Being able to correctly structure a paragraph and speak in a half way intelligent manner can alot of times mean getting or not getting a job. Basic skills are dying art in this country.
 
to: volk06. sallie mae , make mistakes , that make it hard to find out if the student , or the cosigner payed which payment. and any paper work you want takes forever to get. i just payed off a loan, and they are taking the full amount of time, they are required, to send the final paper. after i get the paper work i bet it wont be right. they remind me of monkeys.
 
Many community colleges offer auto technician training for Honda, Toyota, Chevy and Ford.

I knew a guy long time ago that went to the Honda PACT.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
First off, you'll be attending a trade school, not college. There is a big difference between the two.

Have you really thought about where you want to be when you're 50? 55? 60? Have you talked to people who have made auto/diesel tech a career and are now in the 50+ age bracket?

I don't see many 50 year old auto techs, and the ones that I do see seem to be burnt out from the job, therefore I'd be concerned about the long term prospects in the field. Your late 40's and 50's time period is when you start making some serious money, and if that's about the time you start getting burnt out and looking for a career change it will make a huge impact on your future earnings and retirement.

By all means, if that's the career choice you've made and you really love doing it, then more education is always better. Remember though, there are much better career choices available, even in the trades. And by all means, please don't walk into a tire shop, get a job there, and pretend that makes you a real auto technician.

What seems fun as a hobby now may turn into a mind numbing grind when you do it for a living. Keep that in mind as you plot out your future and your career path. Keep in mind too that no one ever became wealthy by wrenching on cars. However, quite a few became wealthy by owning the chain of shops that employ the mechanics.


This is the dilemma of every single serious career. A lot of people got burn out a few years after they graduate schooling and late into their career. Even desk jobs can take a toll on your body in neck, back, wrist, eye pains and you end up making less and paying a lot in medical and health.

I'd say go with what you enjoy doing and watch the ergonomics, even when you don't feel the hurt in the early ages, because a lot of conditions will slowly show up and by the time it shows it is too late.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
So I start college in the fall and am curious. I'm going for auto tech. Should I take auto tech and get certificate or should I take about 2 1/2 years and get an associates degree in auto tech . What would you do



Get what you need to make money first: The automotive training.

The associates degree won't help you get an automotive repair job any more than just the certificate. Since you are taking time to go to school, it wouldn't hurt to take English and Math classes towards an associates degree. You could also benefit from a Chemistry class. Those will help in your job, and if you plan to get a Bachelors degree in the future. You will have to take 3 dung pile classes that are almost useless. A Humanities class (brainwashing I), Social Science (brainwashing II), and Ethnic Studies (brainwashing III). Europeans are not considered and ethnicity for studying in college.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
So I start college in the fall and am curious. I'm going for auto tech. Should I take auto tech and get certificate or should I take about 2 1/2 years and get an associates degree in auto tech . What would you do


I graduated trade school for diesel mechanics in 1978 and have been working in garages ever since as a mechanic,and now a foreman. If I had it to do over again I would go for the associates degree, you can always build on that later.

We have a college here (Ferris State) that offers very good 2 year technical programs that also give you a general education.

All the guys I know that went that route are doing better than me job wise. Its easier to get into jobs for the auto companys or municipal jobs with the degree. Those jobs are where the money and benefits are without the stress of working somewhere on comission.
 
Originally Posted By: bradepb

... If I had it to do over again I would go for the associates degree, you can always build on that later.

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All the guys I know that went that route are doing better than me job wise. Its easier to get into jobs for the auto companys or municipal jobs with the degree. Those jobs are where the money and benefits are without the stress of working somewhere on comission.



I agree if you want to work for the system, you have to feed the system, and that means getting a degree.
 
Education plus experience is the best route. The more education you have, the better off you will be. Cars, even the ones with complex electronics, are ultimately simple devices. With education, the "mystery" of the concepts that control a modern car will be clear. Instead of simply replacing parts, you will be able to diagnose where the problem is and then cure it.

Add to that knowledge in economics and finance and within a few years you will be able to open your own shop.
 
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