Quaker state Ultimate Protection is GTL

[wemay]

And that was false. They are both available and they grade them differently. Did you even look at the back label in the above pic. They have BOTH oils on the label at a different tierView attachment 260592

I won't argue the point. Quaker State released this information in a press release some time ago. Besides, in the image you've shared you're circling the Full Synthetic (which used to beQuaker State Ultimate Durability) and the Quaker State Ultimate Protection (Quaker State Ultimate Protection). Which is exactly what I've been saying.Quaker State Ultimate Protection is not Quaker State Ultimate Durability.

1.Quaker State Ultimate Durability is now Quaker State Full Synthetic
2. Quaker State Ultimate Protection is their new, higher tier, Walmart
exclusive 20k mile motor oil. Which in this thread and past (posted by @KCJeep) discusses it being GTL in the SDS.

 

[kschachn]

Ironically the same crew that criticized the SDS information routinely uses SDS’s to sort through their favorite M1’s flavors for PAO content.

That’s actually a bit different. API Annex E does not allow the substitution of a Group IV base stock for a Group III without retesting. Blenders can substitute any Group III base as long as it meets the performance requirements. As noted, method of manufacture is excluded in this substitution so it’s irrelevant that the Group III is derived from GTL as far as that goes.

 

[doublebase]

Lake Speed Jr.

He tested Quaker State Full Synthetic, not the 20k mile version.

Ok, I missed that. Thanks!

 

[JAG]

kschachn, are you saying that base oil substitution rules also apply to what is stated in the SDS? For example, if the manufacturer substitutes a different type of non-GTL Group III for GTL and the original SDS shows only GTL, are you saying that base oil substitution rules allow them to not change the SDS to replace the GTL mentioning with the new?

 

[kschachn]

kschachn, are you saying that base oil substitution rules also apply to what is stated in the SDS? For example, if the manufacturer substitutes a different type of non-GTL Group III for GTL and the original SDS shows only GTL, are you saying that base oil substitution rules allow them to not change the SDS to replace the GTL mentioning with the new?

No not at all. The two are not connected. SDS are produced for a different reason as I’m sure you know and they weren’t always accurate for exact formulation as long as the toxicity and flammability information is the same.

I used to write SDS as part of my job and they are good for their intent but to reverse engineer a product from them is not practical.

KCJeep was criticizing their use to show the use of PAO but not the specificity of a GTL derived Group III. I was noting that a blender can substitute another Group III base without retesting. Group I, II and III are similar if not identical in chemical structure and although they may have different CAS numbers, may not trigger a revision to the SDS. But a switch away from PAO would.

 

[stash80]

A few previous threads, either directly on the topic or by mention.

Just be aware that under the interchange guidelines of API Annex E there's no guarantee that a GTL based Group III will always be used.

Thread 'Quaker State Ultimate Protection is GTL Based! (or might not be; read full thread)'

Feb 5, 2024

Been a fair amount of discussion over Quaker States Ultimate Protection here. One of the points of discussion has been whether or not it was really any different from the full synthetic. From reviewing the PDS sheets and VOA's they look very similar, except the Ultimate had an MRV of about half of that of the full synthetic. That made me suspicious it might be GTL, but I've had a hard time finding an SDS. Today I was finally able to overcome Shell's ridiculously complicated SDS search sheet and connect to an SDS.

Guess what? QS Ultimate Protection is indeed GTL. Much like the Euro...

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Thread 'LSJr's Video Testing Data - Pennzoil and Quaker State's Differences'

Feb 2, 2024

Lake Speed JR (Certified Lubrication Specialist) test's these two oils to find out their base oil chemistry. This is a YouTube video that talks about the differences between Quaker State Full Synthetic & Pennzoil Full Synthetic.

It answers the question of whether or not Quaker State Full Synthetic is using gas to liquid or not. Quaker State Full Synthetic doesn't include gas to liquid & Pennzoil does employ GTL. Very interesting video for you to watch. Lake Speed goes over the additive packs also.

I've started it at the 2:20 minute mark to eliminate some other conversations not...

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Thread 'NEW 3/17/23, Quaker State Ultimate Protection FS w/20k mi or 1 yr guarantee'

Mar 17, 2023

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If you are going to report what Lake Sprrd Jr. said, the MOG, then get it correct. He compared Quaker State Full Synthetic against Pennzoil Platinum, not the Pennzoil Full Synthetic.

 

[OVERKILL]

kschachn, are you saying that base oil substitution rules also apply to what is stated in the SDS? For example, if the manufacturer substitutes a different type of non-GTL Group III for GTL and the original SDS shows only GTL, are you saying that base oil substitution rules allow them to not change the SDS to replace the GTL mentioning with the new?

They aren't required to call out GTL specifically, Shell has often vaguely called out "Interchangeable low viscosity base oil" with no CAS # on their SDS sheets, like this one for Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-30:

 

[kschachn]

If you are going to report what Lake Sprrd Jr. said, the MOG, then get it correct. He compared Quaker State Full Synthetic against Pennzoil Platinum, not the Pennzoil Full Synthetic.

It makes no difference in my point about substitution and the SDS. Perhaps you don’t understand that.

You could work on spelling his name correctly too, especially if he’s your MOG.

 

[dnewton3]

Enough of the sideline bickering, please.
Let's stick to facts, on topic.

 

[HouseTiger]

It's supposedly good for 20,000 miles, and I change mine every 5,000 - so the minutia is not enough of a difference to make a difference.

 

[ChrisD46]

Quaker State 5W30 Ultimate Protection versus Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 for under 10K mile OCI ?

 

[addyguy]

I’ll bite…the Quaker State, has more moly in the mix.
Still think moly is a really good AW agent and more is better.
Also, the Quaker State will have lower cold crank and pump numbers, they tend to be really low for Quaker State oils.

 

[silversport]

And that was false. They are both available and they grade them differently. Did you even look at the back label in the above pic. They have BOTH oils on the label at a different tierView attachment 260592

yes but you wrote Ultimate DURABILITY which is no longer made and you circled Ultimate PROTECTION (the current offer)

Ultimate Durability and Ultimate Protection are two different oils...

Bill

 

[Carlostrece]

I’ll bite…the Quaker State, has more moly in the mix.
Still think moly is a really good AW agent and more is better.
Also, the Quaker State will have lower cold crank and pump numbers, they tend to be really low for Quaker State oils.

I too have noticed that QS FS and Quaker State High Mileage Full Synthetic have a lower viscosity when cold. However, I thought I saw that Ultimate wasn't like that. I'll have to compare again to verify.

 

[thickvthin]

I won't argue the point. Quaker State released this information in a press release some time ago. Besides, in the image you've shared you're circling the Full Synthetic (which used to beQuaker State Ultimate Durability) and the Quaker State Ultimate Protection (Quaker State Ultimate Protection). Which is exactly what I've been saying.Quaker State Ultimate Protection is not Quaker State Ultimate Durability.

1.Quaker State Ultimate Durability is now Quaker State Full Synthetic
2. Quaker State Ultimate Protection is their new, higher tier, Walmart
exclusive 20k mile motor oil. Which in this thread and past (posted by @KCJeep) discusses it being GTL in the SDS.

It might be that 10w30 versions of QS are all GTL. That guy was not testing 10w30 so no blanket statements can be made. Quaker State Ultimate Durability had noack of 5ish.