Quaker State OCI Recommendations

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I copied this from Quakerstate.com

Myth #7

Synthetic oil lasts longer than conventional oil or extends the oil drain interval.
You can go longer (i.e., 25000 miles) with synthetic oils.
Using synthetic motor oils can double your oil drain interval.
Synthetic motor oils can be used twice as long as conventional motor oils.
Changing only your oil filter every 3000 miles and topping off the oil can extend drain intervals.

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Quaker State® does not recommend extending oil drain intervals beyond the “severe service” maintenance interval of three months or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first. Also, we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner’s manual. We emphasize severe service since the majority of motor vehicles are operated in severe driving conditions such as short trips (under 10 miles), dusty or sandy conditions, cold weather, extended idling periods, trailer towing or other harsh conditions. Under ideal conditions, however, such as a dust-free climate, highway driving, light loads, perfect engine performance, etc., the oil drain interval may be extended to the vehicle manufacturer’s recommended “normal service” period (generally between 3,000 to 7,500 miles). Contamination by normal wear particles, water, fuel, and other combustion by-products, as well as additive depletion, are the main reasons for changing conventional oils on a regular basis. Synthetic oils are equally susceptible to this problem. The only way to remove these contaminants is to change the oil and filter within manufacturers’ recommended intervals
 
And this nugget of information is from the company that sells Slick 50, Sopus (Shell Oil Products U.S.).

Look at their FAQ for Pennzoil Platinum
http://www.pennzoilplatinum.com/

There, Sopus tell us that Pennzoil Platinum is good for up to 15,000 mile oil drain interval in some vehicles, and for vehicles where the manufacturer recommends extended oil drain intervals.

Bart, is your point to make more oil sales for Sopus, or what? View the used oil analysis postings for the true story about how long oil lasts.


Ken
 
I would have no hesitation using Quaker State oil in any vehicle I owned. I believe there were some sludge issues back in the 70's (as with many other oils) but QS has been a fine oil for many years. I know many people who have used it exclusively and had no problems and very high mileage. One friend had well over 300K on an 89' Corolla with Quaker State Conventional 10w30 (almost) exclusively. Now thats a good oil!
 
Your engine will 'Purr like a kitten' with QuakerState.

The only reason why QS won't recommend extended oil drain intervals.......is because some fool will think it is OK to go 20K miles on GF-4 SM rated QS and blame the 'poor quality' oil for all his sludge.
 
I believe that Pennzoil is simply stating that their oil is reliable up to the limits set by vehicles that use a oil life monitor such as GM and where BMW recommends 15,000 mile intervals. Simply put, not all vehicle manufacturers recommend 3,000 mile/3 month severe duty intervals.

Unrelated story - I am replacing the crankshaft in a 1998 Saturn SC2 at the moment. When I disassembled the engine and showed the severe sludge and carbon caking that was present throughout the engine to the owner his only comment was: "they factory filled that car with Quaker State when it was new and that is where all that black stuff comes from".

Further discussion about the vehicle condition revealed that his daughter had the oil changed at the local quick lube very infrequently. The engine had a NAPA filter attached so it may have been a mom/pop type of business. I opened the filter and it had a completely torn pleat with a opening exceeding 1/2" of exposed center tube. The hole in the filter media may have been all that saved the other bearings in the engine from oil starvation.

I am going to refill this engine with Quaker State when I get it back together.. just so I have a excuse when it fails again.
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"Quaker State® does not recommend extending oil drain intervals beyond the “severe service” maintenance interval of three months or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first."

This seems at odds with the FOUR months or FOUR thousand miles intervals I am using with ANY variety of QS (FullSyn in my case) under their 250,000 mile warranty.
 
Bart, is your point to make more oil sales for Sopus, or what? View the used oil analysis postings for the true story about how long oil lasts
I was not trying to make a point. Just posted this to see what kind of comments it would generate.
I have my opinion on this just wanted to hear what others though about it.
 
So do Europeans do more interior engine repairs because they do less OCIs?

Is this a case of picking which poison to use?

Personally, from what I've read here, Quaker State is an average oil. They use lower group base oils and stronger add-packs to compensate.
 
Junk yards are full of recent-design sludged engines that went prematurely south with extended oil change intervals. Fortunately it's doing neither my wallet nor the environment any damage if I choose to change my motor oil and oil filter, and deliver the old oil to a recycler every 3,000 miles - extended OCI-hysterics' claims notwithstanding. Y'all who're fence sitters on this issue can pay your oil retailer a little, now or your mechanic a lot, later - your choice.

Peace, all
 
Mobil and Amsoil have a different opinion as well as GM.

It would seem from that recommendation they are not confident in their oils beyond that time frame and its very possible they are not formualted for that kind of period. Thats fine but they also seem to want to try to convince you that its very bad if you go over 3000 miles or 3 months with any oil on the market. Thats a little self-serving.

The mention of 25,000 miles seems to be targeted to one Synthetic oil company that they fear is cutting into oils sales. There has also been some articiles lately in industry publications that critize the oil companies for their 3 mon/ 3000 miles oil change recommendations and some are of the opinion its all profit motivated. Oils have improved dramatically in the last 10 yrs but they are stuck in a time warp.

I have known one quick lube owner since the 1980's and he is mad about GM and their @#$%^& oil light. Says he see's it hurting business. When I would bring my company leased fleet truck in for service every 5000 miles he woudl always try to talkd me into 3000 miles or 3 months. But my company policy was that was not allowed and unnecessary.
 
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I have known one quick lube owner since the 1980's and he is mad about GM and their @#$%^& oil light. Says he see's it hurting business.

What hurts their business is charging $28 for $7.50 of product needed. Very few post late 1990s vehicles require lube jobs or added top-offs of anti-freeze or wiper fluid. A friend of mine paid $65 recently for 3.5 quart crankcase-fill of Mobil 1 and Purolator Premium-Plus equivalent filter.

That's ridiculous!
 
There is no reason for Quaker State or the American automotive industry to assume that 3K OCI's are the ticket to good engine maintenance. It's an arbitrary number not backed up by used oil analysis, not to mention it can't possible be applied to the myriad of different engine types and manufacturers.

And what about driving habits and operating environment?

It's amazing that Europeans drive their cars harder and with longer OCI's and do not have the "catastrophic engine failures" that these crooks want us to believe will happen to cars in the United States. It's B.S. and the sole reason for them to propogate their 3K OCI myth is to generate profits.
 
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Junk yards are full of recent-design sludged engines that went prematurely south with extended oil change intervals. Fortunately it's doing neither my wallet nor the environment any damage if I choose to change my motor oil and oil filter, and deliver the old oil to a recycler every 3,000 miles - extended OCI-hysterics' claims notwithstanding. Y'all who're fence sitters on this issue can pay your oil retailer a little, now or your mechanic a lot, later - your choice.

I ran 5k OCI's on my 1.8T Passat (a notorious sludger) and never had an issue in 96K miles. The dealer put in conventional oil on top of it (apparently he wasn't aware of VW 502 00, and neither was I until I bought my 2006, since it wasn't in my 1998 manual).

My parents have also run 5k intervals on a Toyota with another notorious sludger (the 3.0L). I've recommended they use synthetic, but so far (over 80K) they have used conventional with no issues.

It's interesting that the sludging isn't an issue in Europe or Japan where the same engines are used. I think synthetic oils are far more prevalent over there. A co-worker from Scotland was surprised, to say the least, that a Ford manual here recommend 3K intervals, while a nearly identical car over there recommended 10K intervals.
 
I bet folks with new cars equipped with OLM are watching this thread.

The only way to guarantee my engine will last over 200,000 miles using extended OCI and conventional oil is to leave it parked.

Forget QS recommendation and ignore the OLM. Just change the oil and filter every 5000 miles.
 
In Europe, motor oils cost a heck of a lot more. It follows that OCIs would reflect a more realistic distance. In USA, the 3k option also covers owners who don't pop the hood for topping-off. Probally, there is less of that over there.
Anyway, QS is a mediocre product with a following of old-timers. I goes to follow that they will tell their customer what they want to hear and re-enforce the 3k myth. It also goes to follow that people who know the least will speak most authoritatively to their peers..."I heard 3k is best...the old guy says so!" FTR- my cousin's OLM goes off at 2500mi.
 
Unrelated story - I am replacing the crankshaft in a 1998 Saturn SC2 at the moment. When I disassembled the engine and showed the severe sludge and carbon caking that was present throughout the engine to the owner his only comment was: "they factory filled that car with Quaker State when it was new and that is where all that black stuff comes from".

Negative mobil is GM factory fill.

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posted 17 December, 2005 19:39
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I bet folks with new cars equipped with OLM are watching this thread.

The only way to guarantee my engine will last over 200,000 miles using extended OCI and conventional oil is to leave it parked.

Forget QS recommendation and ignore the OLM. Just change the oil and filter every 5000 miles.

I dont think that this is the only way. Seeing how I had a used 1989 ford ranger with 176K on the books and had receipts that OCI that veried anywhere from 3 to 9K with old AMOCCO 10w30 sf quality. The highest wear you will see is from fresh oil. used oil analysis do prove that.
 
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