I know folks here have the opinion that the Pennzoil Pure Plus synthetic has better cleaning ability that Quaker State Ultimate Durability synthetic - has anyone actually tested or seen a significant difference ? Also if a vehicle has used synthetic oil of one type or another changed on time would there be much to be said (in terms of cleaning ability) between QSUD and PPP ?
QSUD vs. PPP - Cleaning Ability ?
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Id doubt there is much difference. Maybe a tad more difference between those 2 oils and PUP. I am assuming PUP has a better add pack and thus allows Pennzoil's marketing plan to say PUP cleans better..by how much...id assume itd be hard to tell and depend on how clean engine is to start with and you would need to remove valve cover after each OCI to make a judgment..otherwise no true way of knowing for sure.
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I enjoy the marketing and the boy in me goes with the hype.
Use QSUD if you are a spirited driver or Platinum or Ultra for cleaning ability.
Now that I just typed that it makes absolutlely no sense I will agree with what Rolla07 said!
Use QSUD if you are a spirited driver or Platinum or Ultra for cleaning ability.
Now that I just typed that it makes absolutlely no sense I will agree with what Rolla07 said!
In an engine that's had regular maintenance, there won't be much to clean so there won't be any difference.
In a really dirty engine, I doubt that there's be that much difference either.
PP was always marketed as a better cleaning oil than QSUD or the previous QS syns and Ultra was marketed as being even better than PP.
In practice, there is probably more difference in the marketing and branding than there is in any aspect of the performance of these oils in service.
In a really dirty engine, I doubt that there's be that much difference either.
PP was always marketed as a better cleaning oil than QSUD or the previous QS syns and Ultra was marketed as being even better than PP.
In practice, there is probably more difference in the marketing and branding than there is in any aspect of the performance of these oils in service.
Pennzoil Platinum: 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm
QSUD:
Additives
Calcium 2,268
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 751
Zinc, ppm 850
Molybdenum, ppm 252
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 4
Silicon, ppm 6
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm 5
Vanadium, ppm
This is from the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm
QSUD:
Additives
Calcium 2,268
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 751
Zinc, ppm 850
Molybdenum, ppm 252
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 4
Silicon, ppm 6
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm 5
Vanadium, ppm
This is from the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
Originally Posted By: mctmatt
Pennzoil Platinum: 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm
QSUD:
Additives
Calcium 2,268
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 751
Zinc, ppm 850
Molybdenum, ppm 252
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 4
Silicon, ppm 6
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm 5
Vanadium, ppm
This is from the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
Looks almost identical....but my guess is that Pennzoil has better base oils than QSUD....thus the slightly higher price.
Pennzoil Platinum: 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm
QSUD:
Additives
Calcium 2,268
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 751
Zinc, ppm 850
Molybdenum, ppm 252
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 4
Silicon, ppm 6
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm 5
Vanadium, ppm
This is from the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
Looks almost identical....but my guess is that Pennzoil has better base oils than QSUD....thus the slightly higher price.
Price here is identical between the two, in other words too high.
As for cleaning, I'd say six of one and half dozen of the other. They're completely interchangeable in most respects.
As for cleaning, I'd say six of one and half dozen of the other. They're completely interchangeable in most respects.
Originally Posted by mctmatt
Pennzoil Platinum: 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm
QSUD:
Additives
Calcium 2,268
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 751
Zinc, ppm 850
Molybdenum, ppm 252
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 4
Silicon, ppm 6
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm 5
Vanadium, ppm
This is from the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
So QSUD looks like the best chose
Pennzoil Platinum: 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm
QSUD:
Additives
Calcium 2,268
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 600 to 800 751
Zinc, ppm 850
Molybdenum, ppm 252
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 4
Silicon, ppm 6
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm 5
Vanadium, ppm
This is from the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.
So QSUD looks like the best chose
Post that question here👇...see if the Pennzoil team will weigh in on it.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...low-viscosity-engine-oil-q-a#Post5143196
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...low-viscosity-engine-oil-q-a#Post5143196
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Post that question here👇...see if the Pennzoil team will weigh in on it.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...low-viscosity-engine-oil-q-a#Post5143196
That is a specific thread for questions regarding GF-6, not for general questions.
Post that question here👇...see if the Pennzoil team will weigh in on it.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...low-viscosity-engine-oil-q-a#Post5143196
That is a specific thread for questions regarding GF-6, not for general questions.
They both are in good standing. I would use PP in winter and QSUD the rest of the year. QSUD is best budget friendly/performance oil out there.
Base Oils...
Within the past 6/8 months I have read, most likely on this site or www.Quakerstate, that QSUD is 70 to 90% GTL base oil. So, very much, or close as PP, with more moly.
The Analysis posted above is old, before Dexos 1 gen2, Quakerstate currant Calcium is just under 1000, not 2268ppm
PP Dexos 1 gen2 Calcium is also only a little over 1000, like 1200ish, not 2615ppm
Those levels of Calcium would not meet Dexos 1 gen2
Within the past 6/8 months I have read, most likely on this site or www.Quakerstate, that QSUD is 70 to 90% GTL base oil. So, very much, or close as PP, with more moly.
The Analysis posted above is old, before Dexos 1 gen2, Quakerstate currant Calcium is just under 1000, not 2268ppm
PP Dexos 1 gen2 Calcium is also only a little over 1000, like 1200ish, not 2615ppm
Those levels of Calcium would not meet Dexos 1 gen2
I prefer QSUD. Likely similar basestocks, more Moly, and most importantly cheaper in my area by about 25%.
Originally Posted by fdcg27
I... PP was always marketed as a better cleaning oil than QSUD ...
"Cleaning ability" is not exactly the same as ability not to form deposits (on pistons in particular).
I... PP was always marketed as a better cleaning oil than QSUD ...
"Cleaning ability" is not exactly the same as ability not to form deposits (on pistons in particular).
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Originally Posted by CR94
Originally Posted by fdcg27
I... PP was always marketed as a better cleaning oil than QSUD ...
"Cleaning ability" is not exactly the same as ability not to form deposits (on pistons in particular).
Yes, it is the same.
You want that oil to cease and/or reduce deposits. Platinum / Ultra Platinum is known as a SOPUS gas engine leader in that regard. It's advertised as-such.
If you talk to SOPUS over the phone or by mail/email.....etc, they tell you the facts. They tell you Platinum is their Premium oil - Ultra Super Premium.
Originally Posted by fdcg27
I... PP was always marketed as a better cleaning oil than QSUD ...
"Cleaning ability" is not exactly the same as ability not to form deposits (on pistons in particular).
Yes, it is the same.
You want that oil to cease and/or reduce deposits. Platinum / Ultra Platinum is known as a SOPUS gas engine leader in that regard. It's advertised as-such.
If you talk to SOPUS over the phone or by mail/email.....etc, they tell you the facts. They tell you Platinum is their Premium oil - Ultra Super Premium.
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