QSUD vs. PP and PU

[Neptune]

How do you folks feel about Quaker State Ultimate Durability?
In my Vibe with the 1zzfe engine (1.8L 16v VVTi)I have been using primarily PP and PU 5w30 for 6 months intervals and whatever miles I end up with, usually about 4800 to 5600 miles.
I have noticed the price of oil going up. I buy at walmart but, it's becoming quite expensive. PP for the jug is $24.xx and PU is $27.xx. I need to draw the line somewhere. I've been considering QSUD @ about $20.xx for a jug. I have become very cleanliness conscious. I'm afraid no other oil will keep the inside of the engine clean, especially for the VVTi.
I also read the TSB about the rings causing coking or gunk build up due to excesive heat in that area. When this happens, the engine starts to consume oil. Mine uses no oil at all right now.

I have two vehicles that are both used by my wife and I. I am mainly concerned about the vibe's engine. It has currently about 79,xxx miles on it and runs great. My wife drives about 5 miles one way to work. She'll also take our daughter to the bus stop. She lets it warm up some before going. I drive about 14 miles one way on a windy, somewhat mildly hilly road with double yellow line the whole way. Speed limit ranges from 35 mph to 45 mph. So, yes it does some idling and short tripping from the wife. I don't have a garage and don't like being out in the cold changing oil;not my idea of fun. So, I go 6 months and change in May and November.

What I'm asking is, do you folks here think QSUD 5w30 is up to the task to keep my 1zzfe clean and running good. I would consider conventional, but afraid of the short trips and winter driving and keeping the oil in there for 6 months at a time.

Thanks

 

[dparm]

It's a great value for sure. I think it would serve you well. Your application probably won't see any major differences between PP/PU/QSUD...or any other OTS oil, for that matter.

Don't bother letting the car warm up, it just contaminates the oil with fuel and thins it out. You're better off just starting the car and keeping engine load low until the oil has warmed up.

 

[SOHCman]

So, they are made by the same company, but are they not the same oil/ different additives?

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: SOHCman
So, they are made by the same company, but are they not the same oil/ different additives?


Thats somewhat correct. They're their own company, QS is QS and Pennzoil is Pennzoil but theyre both owned by SOPUS but are operated separately. How much cross over between the no one really knows. They use different base oil and their add packs are similar. QSUD & PP, PU have the similar moly levels (50-60) but QSUD has more calcium (~2400) but very little boron (10). PP has about the same boron, but less Calcium (~2100). PU has alot more calcium (3000) and boron (250). Its been shown on the msds that QSUD has some PAO in it.

All in all, theyre both great oils and QSUD is the best bang for your buck oil.

 

[double vanos]

Originally Posted By: SOHCman
So, they are made by the same company, but are they not the same oil/ different additives?


This is a good question! What are the differences and do they a whit of difference on a 5k OCI? I'd love to know......

 

[Whimsey]

Originally Posted By: double vanos
Originally Posted By: SOHCman
So, they are made by the same company, but are they not the same oil/ different additives?


This is a good question! What are the differences and do they a whit of difference on a 5k OCI? I'd love to know......


Heck, for ~5,000 miles in 6 months a good convential or synblend will work just as well unless you experience extreme cold or heat. Both PYB & Motorcraft synblend are great non synthetic oils. I've used Motorcraft 5W-20 in my 2002 4.6 F-150 since new with 5,000 or 1 year OCI's and the look into the oil filler hole shows the head and valve train to be real clean. There is no sludge or even any varnish visible.

Just a thought

.

Whimsey

 

[Toyotamike]

This is a great question that I've been trying to find out. I've been running mobil 1, but the price for QSUD attacts me, but I can't figure out why so cheap for synthetic. Part of me keeps saying there's gotta be something wrong.

 

[Maxima97]

4800 miles OCI on PP is waste. Toyota I4 engine is very easy on oil . I would use PYB 7.5K OCI in summer. PP/PU 10k OCI in winter. At you distance of driving. Just use PP/PU one year OCI.

 

[Neptune]

I was hoping to get more opinions. Anyone else want to chime in here? Good or bad let me know what you think.
Thanks.

 

[PostalBound]

You looking for honest opinions or ones that match yours ? Truth is for what you are doing, using synthetic is a waste.

Might as well go much cheaper and use good dino.

 

[Neptune]

PostalBound,
Well I know what I would do, but it's not cost effective anymore, so I'm looking for what some others on here would do.
Did you read my entire post? I'm concerned with:

1). The Technical Service Bulletin about the rings. I don't want my engine needing replaced. Besides, Toyota released the TSB, they are who made the engine, but my car is a Pontiac. I don't know if they have released a similar TSB and are replacing engines.

2). The VVTi can not work correctly if it get sludged up.

3). The short trips and idling my wife does. and the fact I change every 6 months to avoid the cold-recipe for sludge.

Can you recommend a dino that will be up to the task as PP and PU have been so far? I don't think it's a waste thus far even if I'm not putting 10,000miles per oci. I'm just curious about QSUD so I don't have to constantly shell out more cash each oc because of the ever rising cost of motor oil.

 

[Indydriver]

Yes, QSUD will work fine in your application, which frankly, isn't very strenuous. I would also rest easy with PYB in that engine.

Marketing 101 tells us that Shell, who owns all three brands, will want to differentiate into a good, better, best strategy. This will be reflected in promotion and in price. Manufacturers and dealers do not like the SKU proliferation that's occurred, witness Shell's inability to get shelf space at many WalMarts and parts stores for their latest premium offer, PU. I predict you will see Shell "rationalizing" it's brand offering by eliminating some SKUs and perhaps entire brands. I was in WM this morning perusing the oil shelves and the choices are dizzying.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Neptune
Can you recommend a dino that will be up to the task as PP and PU have been so far? I don't think it's a waste thus far even if I'm not putting 10,000miles per oci. I'm just curious about QSUD so I don't have to constantly shell out more cash each oc because of the ever rising cost of motor oil.


If I were in your position and using a conventional, I'd use something like PYB. But, if your preference is to go synthetic to address the issues you listed, I'm sure QSUD would do fine. Perhaps Formula Shell Synthetic might be another option.

For whatever reason, it's considered a "bargain synthetic" in the States. Up here, it's pretty much priced the same as M1 and PP and Syntec. The more expensive ones here are PU (if you can find it), Edge, and M1 EP. Heck, up here, aside from rollbacks, a difference of more than a dollar on a five litre jug between competing product lines is pretty rare.

I don't doubt that some synthetics might tend to clean better than other synthetics. Among the name brand choices, I would imagine the difference isn't terribly significant. It's certainly not like comparing 1970s era 10w-40 conventional with a modern ester based oil or synthetic HDEO.

 

[fdcg27]

Check out the Rebates..etc forum.
You can get QSUD nearly FAR.
You can also get G-OIL FAR.
There are good UOAs with both of these oils.
Your engine is not all that demanding.
Either oil (or both!) would work well on a 5K or six month OCI, and probably much longer.
PP and PU are certainly good, but they probably exceed the need in your application.
QSUD and G-Oil would both serve you well, especially for a net cost after sales tax and postage of qt.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: Neptune
I was hoping to get more opinions. Anyone else want to chime in here? Good or bad let me know what you think.
Thanks.


I have used QSUD in 5 different Toyotas for 5000 mile intervals with no problems over the past 5 years. Now I have a whole load of Mobil1 so I'll use that. Pay no attention to the people who say you are "wasting" oil. They won't come fix your engine when it grenades.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Neptune
I was hoping to get more opinions. Anyone else want to chime in here? Good or bad let me know what you think.
Thanks.


I have used QSUD in 5 different Toyotas for 5000 mile intervals with no problems over the past 5 years. Now I have a whole load of Mobil1 so I'll use that. Pay no attention to the people who say you are "wasting" oil. They won't come fix your engine when it grenades.


Good point, since they won't.
Still, a UOA or two would probably give the OP a better idea of how his OCI plan is working.
He might be able to go longer if he wants to.
I do change about as often as the OP does, but I pay little enough for the oils I use that the savings from running it longer would be minimal.
If I really did a lot of miles on any given car, then I'd have to look at longer OCIs for the convenience factor alone.

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: Doog
....Pay no attention to the people who say you are "wasting" oil. They won't come fix your engine when it grenades.


And engines not running synthetic won't "grenade" from it, either...