QR: The A380 was a mistake

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Qatar is an airline that needs to die and this guy makes a bunch of excuses for buying into it. There’s at most three airlines that can fill up a 380 on a good day.

This is a plane designed for a dystopian future that never happened. global population 14 billion, massively overcrowded airports and oil prices at an all time high. here comes the 800 seat whale to save the day and print money. obviously it didn’t work out that way
 
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Well, Qatar did not play the largest role to keep it alive - Emirates did.
I flew in several of them … I fly business class and they buy those seats like all the rest.
So unless you were ready to pony up $12k for a suite … they were pretty much just a gate/customs hassle …
I also did not like being sent via a ME hub that was not the shortest flight time …
 
Well, Qatar did not play the largest role to keep it alive - Emirates did.
I flew in several of them … I fly business class and they buy those seats like all the rest.
So unless you were ready to pony up $12k for a suite … they were pretty much just a gate/customs hassle …
I also did not like being sent via a ME hub that was not the shortest flight time …
QR tried to pretend it was a serious airline and keep up with the latest fashion. the good news is they only have 10 and they’re ready to take a decades long nap
 
The amount of money that was spent not only for the 380 but for the new airports in the Middle East was massive. I know someone who was part of the construction design team for the new Doha airport. She said it was unreal.

It is my understanding that the A380 cannot be converted to freight usage. That was another blunder by Airbus.
 
Yes the A380 doesn't make sense and it was a mistake, but that's mostly down to the fact that 4 engine airplanes can't compete with their 2 engine competition and are a rapidly dying breed. Dystopian future with a global population of 14 billion? The A380 wasn't designed by some Stanford academic in the 1960's, it just happened to be designed in a time of cheaper fuel and before twin engine planes where receiving ETOPS ratings exceeding 180.
 
The amount of money that was spent not only for the 380 but for the new airports in the Middle East was massive. I know someone who was part of the construction design team for the new Doha airport. She said it was unreal.

It is my understanding that the A380 cannot be converted to freight usage. That was another blunder by Airbus.
This one I took from LAX shows the difference on the nose

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The amount of money that was spent not only for the 380 but for the new airports in the Middle East was massive. I know someone who was part of the construction design team for the new Doha airport. She said it was unreal.

It is my understanding that the A380 cannot be converted to freight usage. That was another blunder by Airbus.

When FedEx and UPS didn’t want the A380 , I knew it would be a failure.

Many airports didn’t want to spend big $$$ to remodel for A380 service.

Interest for new 747 was declining .... why did Airbus think their A380 would be successful ?

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When FedEx and UPS didn’t want the A380 , I knew it would be a failure.

Many airports didn’t want to spend big $$$ to remodel for A380 service.

Interest for new 747 was declining .... why did Airbus think their A380 would be successful ?

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It seemed to be a bet on how air travel was going to be going forward. The traditional hub and spoke versus more direct and non stop travel. Passengers want to go directly to their destination so the Dreamliner was a success based on that theory.
 
The amount of money that was spent not only for the 380 but for the new airports in the Middle East was massive. I know someone who was part of the construction design team for the new Doha airport. She said it was unreal.

It is my understanding that the A380 cannot be converted to freight usage. That was another blunder by Airbus.
I landed there when it was brand new … Fancy place … but, they did not put in special toilets so the conventional ones were getting stomped on with shoes … 😳
 
It seemed to be a bet on how air travel was going to be going forward. The traditional hub and spoke versus more direct and non stop travel. Passengers want to go directly to their destination so the Dreamliner was a success based on that theory.
Yep, and a good aircraft for the tough times we just witnessed …
 
When FedEx and UPS didn’t want the A380 , I knew it would be a failure.

Many airports didn’t want to spend big $$$ to remodel for A380 service.

Interest for new 747 was declining .... why did Airbus think their A380 would be successful ?

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I could not figure out why IAH spent the money. Lufthansa (LH) flew the B744 … LH were already taking delivery of the new B748i … but brings the A380.
Just flew the same flight number on an LH A330 … and it’s not even daily …
 
It's not that the A380 was 4 engine - the only important metric is CASM - cost per available seat mile.

On that metric - the A380 competed well with the 777, which was the market at the time that Airbus decided to go ahead with their super jumbo.

Ironically, that metric is why the 747 dominated the long haul international market for so long, its CASM was less than half that of Concorde when they both hit the market in 1968, and the 747 was dramatically lower than the DC-8 and 707.

The real failure of the A380 (and I've said this before on BITOG) was Airbus getting the future of air travel wrong.

In about 1998, Boeing and Airbus looked ahead.

Airbus saw ever-larger airplanes competing for the finite number of slots at major hubs around the world. More passengers for each slot was the way to win in that vision of the future. Hence, A380.

Boeing saw long-range point to point service as the future. Mid size markets connected directly, bypassing crowded hubs and airspace. Enter the Sonic Cruiser - a 0.95 mach mid-size (767) airplane of exceptional range. As the design work progressed, 9-11 and oil price shocks altered airline demand - they wanted fuel-efficiency more than speed, with long range, in a mid-size airplane. The 7E7 (for efficient).

7E7 was radical, composite fuselage, new systems architecture and engines to maximize economy. Long range. Mid size. When the design was finalized, it was named...

787.

1,500 orders later, it's quite clear that Boeing got the vision of the future right.

Here's an example of where the 787 crushes the competition: SFO - Chengdu, China.

Why Chengdu? Home of an incredible number of high-tech companies and factories building tech. Apple, Intel, IBM, Cisco, Nokia, Motorola, and others all have facilities and business there. So, lots of folks want to go SFO-Chengdu (pre-CV-19, and soon, when it opens up again).

To travel on any regular airline, the route is through Tokyo, Beijing, or Hong-Kong hubs of those major carriers. Change planes, two flights, takes about 24 hours.

But the 787 can fly direct, at 0.85 mach, in just under 16 hours. 8 hours faster. No hub delays. Lower CASM than the 777 or 747s used on those SFO-hub flights.

787 wins.

That's why Boeing has sold so many of them.

And the A380?

The biggest loser. Nobody wants huge numbers of people moving between hubs when point to point service can be more efficient, and a better travel experience.
 
It's not that the A380 was 4 engine - the only important metric is CASM - cost per available seat mile.

On that metric - the A380 competed well with the 777, which was the market at the time that Airbus decided to go ahead with their super jumbo.

Ironically, that metric is why the 747 dominated the long haul international market for so long, its CASM was less than half that of Concorde when they both hit the market in 1968, and the 747 was dramatically lower than the DC-8 and 707.

The real failure of the A380 (and I've said this before on BITOG) was Airbus getting the future of air travel wrong.

In about 1998, Boeing and Airbus looked ahead.

Airbus saw ever-larger airplanes competing for the finite number of slots at major hubs around the world. More passengers for each slot was the way to win in that vision of the future. Hence, A380.

Boeing saw long-range point to point service as the future. Mid size markets connected directly, bypassing crowded hubs and airspace. Enter the Sonic Cruiser - a 0.95 mach mid-size (767) airplane of exceptional range. As the design work progressed, 9-11 and oil price shocks altered airline demand - they wanted fuel-efficiency more than speed, with long range, in a mid-size airplane. The 7E7 (for efficient).

7E7 was radical, composite fuselage, new systems architecture and engines to maximize economy. Long range. Mid size. When the design was finalized, it was named...

787.

1,500 orders later, it's quite clear that Boeing got the vision of the future right.

Here's an example of where the 787 crushes the competition: SFO - Chengdu, China.

Why Chengdu? Home of an incredible number of high-tech companies and factories building tech. Apple, Intel, IBM, Cisco, Nokia, Motorola, and others all have facilities and business there. So, lots of folks want to go SFO-Chengdu (pre-CV-19, and soon, when it opens up again).

To travel on any regular airline, the route is through Tokyo, Beijing, or Hong-Kong hubs of those major carriers. Change planes, two flights, takes about 24 hours.

But the 787 can fly direct, at 0.85 mach, in just under 16 hours. 8 hours faster. No hub delays. Lower CASM than the 777 or 747s used on those SFO-hub flights.

787 wins.

That's why Boeing has sold so many of them.

And the A380?

The biggest loser. Nobody wants huge numbers of people moving between hubs when point to point service can be more efficient, and a better travel experience.
Same when I took UA from IAH>>LAX>>MEL … B789 can do it cost effectively and PAX arrive feeling fresh …
 
Same when I took UA from IAH>>LAX>>MEL … B789 can do it cost effectively and PAX arrive feeling fresh …
Exactly.

In 2020, airlines like American and Delta parked hundreds of airplanes each, canceled new orders for long range airplanes, and severely pared back their international fleets.

While one airline quietly bought, and took delivery, of 17 brand new 787.
 
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