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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
What size/model number of Puro have you been using? Some have been problematic, others not.


I listed the filters I used on the first page.

I am currently using them on a 2002 Mercury Cougar with a 2.5L V6. That is my daily driver, which I put on about 20,000 miles a year. As I said, I run full-synthetic, and change every 5,000 miles. The other is a 1994 Ford Explorer with a 4.0L V6. That is my tow vehicle. I doubt it got 5,000 miles last year, but I run it in tough conditions. I have switched to conventional oil in that, and change every 6 months.

As I said, I used to run fram on the truck, but switched a few years ago to the Purolator classic. I have ran my car since I got it with the Purolator Classic.

I also run them on the lawn mower, but I have never cut one of those open. Everything else I have is 2 stroke.
 
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I've had a PL14476 tear in 2010 with 7500 miles on Super Tech synthetic (Corolla). The filter was bought in 2009. It was the only Purolator that tore out of the ones I cut open. 3 defunct Super Tech filters tore in a row.
 
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I have a PL14610 waiting to be used in my next oil change for the Accord. Right now, I have a Purolator Classic installed. I purchased the Pure One in July 2014. Should I be concerned about using the PL14610 in my next oil change?
 
Originally Posted By: lancerplayer
I have a PL14610 waiting to be used in my next oil change for the Accord. Right now, I have a Purolator Classic installed. I purchased the Pure One in July 2014. Should I be concerned about using the PL14610 in my next oil change?


Return the Pure One to the store if you're concerned.

I'd leave the Classic on for your normal OCI.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Lead Shoes
Most of these failures are coming from the filter being used for longer than designed for. Purolator recommends only 3k miles on the classic filter and 5k on the pure 1. People reporting in with problems are almost always in the 7k+ oci range and using classic from what I have seen.


Sorry, but not true. If you go read Purolator's statements on their website it clearly says:

"Purolator oil filters should be replaced every 3,000 miles or 3 months depending on the driving conditions - or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer."

The "or" part of the statement means that if a car manufacturer recommends a 7500 mile oil change, then Purolator is saying their filters will meet that OEM service spec.



I think that means if the manufacturer recommends less. They have no control if some outfit says to change the filter every 50,000 miles or something. They are saying 3000, or less if the manuf recommends it, the way I interpret the meaning of the statement. Depending on the driving conditions.
 
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.

Here's the Purolator "Filter Hotline" at 1-800-526-4250 ... they will tell you the same thing.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.



So you are saying that FRAM's Extra Guard with its 95% @ 20 micron filtration efficiency meets OEM specifications and is rated for Toyota's 10,000 mile recommended OCI and BMW's recommended 15,000 mile OCI?

You do have to use some common sense and expect a bottom feeder filter from any manufacturer to provide relatively limited service.

Otherwise there would be no need for the FRAM Tough Guards and Ultras so many folks pay so much money to use.
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.



So you are saying that FRAM's Extra Guard with its 95% @ 20 micron filtration efficiency meets OEM specifications and is rated for Toyota's 10,000 mile recommended OCI and BMW's recommended 15,000 mile OCI?

You do have to use some common sense and expect a bottom feeder filter from any manufacturer to provide relatively limited service.

Otherwise there would be no need for the FRAM Tough Guards and Ultras so many folks pay so much money to use.


Why are you implying that it wouldn't be able to meet the OEM specification? What particular technical detail about the Extra Guard means it can't meet an OEM spec? I would guess that the filter manufacturers say any of their filters meet the OEM spec as long as they meet the same or better OEM requirement for holding capacity. Since Fram makes many OEM filters they and other filter manufacturers have this information so what are they missing?
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.



So you are saying that FRAM's Extra Guard with its 95% @ 20 micron filtration efficiency meets OEM specifications and is rated for Toyota's 10,000 mile recommended OCI and BMW's recommended 15,000 mile OCI?

You do have to use some common sense and expect a bottom feeder filter from any manufacturer to provide relatively limited service.

Otherwise there would be no need for the FRAM Tough Guards and Ultras so many folks pay so much money to use.
Thats what it says in the footnote on the Fram website.
 
So why spend $10.42 for an Ultra or $8.97 for a Tough Guard for my Camry when the $6.63 Extra Guard takes care of it for the 10,000 mile OCI?
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
So why spend $10.42 for an Ultra or $8.97 for a Tough Guard for my Camry when the $6.63 Extra Guard takes care of it for the 10,000 mile OCI?


Some people like to pay $10.42 for an oil filter, some like to pay $6.63. Each person feels superior to the other for their wise and informed choice in oil filter purchase.

Fram does state in a footnote to follow owner's manual change intervals with the Extra Guard filter, which indicates a 1X,XXX mile interval in some cases.
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.



So you are saying that FRAM's Extra Guard with its 95% @ 20 micron filtration efficiency meets OEM specifications and is rated for Toyota's 10,000 mile recommended OCI and BMW's recommended 15,000 mile OCI?

You do have to use some common sense and expect a bottom feeder filter from any manufacturer to provide relatively limited service.

Otherwise there would be no need for the FRAM Tough Guards and Ultras so many folks pay so much money to use.


Call Fram and get the details - it would be interesting to see what they say. Fram also says (similar to Purolator's statement):

"Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual" ... so take it as you will.
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I doubt they will say as if they do and it fails it puts more legal pressure on the.
Its also why fram says "For everyday drivers who perform routine maintenance on their vehicle every 3,000-5,000 miles." Notice its not 5000miles but 3000-5000. So if you go over 3000miles it gives fram more legal leg room if they fight the claim.

Not saying it can't go over 3000miles but there are a lot of filters with different designs, let alone the way people maintain their car. So lawyers always want a out if they need to fight something.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.

Here's the Purolator "Filter Hotline" at 1-800-526-4250 ... they will tell you the same thing.


I see it that way as implied, otherwise they don't need to bother saying 3000 at all. They themselves rate it for 3000. I'm sure they consider worse conditions in that number. Two things, manufs usually have a severe use and normal use, I go with the severe use, and filter specs don't always include miles of service, they say grams of dirt holding etc, or up to some miles. Up to some miles isn't a spec. It doesn't really matter to them if the filter is bypassing all the time the last part of service. That's the way I read it. I can read it the other way too, but like I said they would have to accept responsibility for any maker in the worlds notion of oci applying to their Classic lowest offering. The maker may be using a high capacity filter to get the high miles number, and the Classic is not so high, then what.
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Do you really think a Purolator is only rated for 3,000 miles or less when a Fram Extra Guard (orange can) is rated at 5,000 miles? Purolator's statement doesn't say ... "or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer as long as it's below 3,000 miles."

Besides, Purolator and other filter manufacturers will claim their filters "meet or exceed OEM specifications", which also means they have to meet the specified vehicle's manufacturer filter change interval, which on every car made today is well above 3,000 miles.



So you are saying that FRAM's Extra Guard with its 95% @ 20 micron filtration efficiency meets OEM specifications and is rated for Toyota's 10,000 mile recommended OCI and BMW's recommended 15,000 mile OCI?

You do have to use some common sense and expect a bottom feeder filter from any manufacturer to provide relatively limited service.

Otherwise there would be no need for the FRAM Tough Guards and Ultras so many folks pay so much money to use.




And folks will use "premium" gas in a car designed to use regular.
 
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Originally Posted By: SilverC6
So why spend $10.42 for an Ultra or $8.97 for a Tough Guard for my Camry when the $6.63 Extra Guard takes care of it for the 10,000 mile OCI?


While I think the bottom end like the Extra Guard is good for OEM interval and probably filters better than OEM I also believe that spending more for a more robust design is well spent. For me that reason is to reduce risk of filter failure by buying a better manufactured filter. While risk of failure is low the cost to an individual would be high. Also, I believe that improved filtration naturally extends the life of an engine. Even though there may not be scientific studies proving it to me it seems obvious enough that I am willing to spend the little bit extra. Others may decide they need to see proof. No problem. But for an extra couple of dollars a year.....
 
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