I have 97 and 98 Camrys under my care. Both have one of the 4 cyl engines that are sludge prone. Both are over 200k total miles and I'm pretty sure neither has any sludge at this point. I was planning to go 10k ocis on them using M1 and a Mobil 1 Extended Performance filter. After gathering more info, it seems that an oci more in the 5-6K range makes more sense. The Mobil 1 Extended Performance filter is overkill for that oci so I'm thinking of a filter that is more in the $6 range. Two of the available choices would be the Pureone or the Toyota OEM. Which would be a better choice? Or does it even matter in this case?
Pureone or Toyota OEM
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6000 miles or 6 months oci is more than enough as for a filter you can look at it two ways some people like filters that filter the best some people like filters that flow the best i happen to like the flow i believe dirty oil protects the engine much better than no oil...
You cant go wrong with most oem filters
You cant go wrong with most oem filters
So the Pureone has flow problems? I know that my knowledge base isn't very deep, but I was under the impression that by-pass valves took care of the flow issue.
If you want to stock up you can probably buy a few Toyota filters and get a price break making it cheaper than the P1's
Go Denso! They used to make Toyota OE filters. The best for the money. Check Amazon. If you can't get a Denso get the cheaper of the 2 you mentioned as both will get you 5-6K.
The Denso will be a 150-1000 or 150-1002. Both will fit, the 1002 is a little bigger and for the L6. The 1000 is for the L4
The Denso will be a 150-1000 or 150-1002. Both will fit, the 1002 is a little bigger and for the L6. The 1000 is for the L4
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Originally Posted By: teddyboy
So the Pureone has flow problems?
Not from the test data I've seen from Purolator.
It seems to be one of those urban legends/myths that won't die. Apparently the thought being, a 99.9% efficient filter can't flow well. The best thread here to dispute p1/poor flow is an email to SuperBusa in this thread from Purolator. Test data shows the P1 NOT to be restrictive, good enough for me.
As for the OP's question, either will work. Based on r_r's test, Toyota oem's do seem to favor flow over filtration, but P1 seems to do well at both. Not sure what Toyota oems cost, but P1's can be had with AAP codes for ~$3.00 now.
Originally Posted By: teddyboy
So the Pureone has flow problems?
Not from the test data I've seen from Purolator.
It seems to be one of those urban legends/myths that won't die. Apparently the thought being, a 99.9% efficient filter can't flow well. The best thread here to dispute p1/poor flow is an email to SuperBusa in this thread from Purolator. Test data shows the P1 NOT to be restrictive, good enough for me.
As for the OP's question, either will work. Based on r_r's test, Toyota oem's do seem to favor flow over filtration, but P1 seems to do well at both. Not sure what Toyota oems cost, but P1's can be had with AAP codes for ~$3.00 now.
I'm not sure if I'd say that the OEM Denso filter is "better" than the Purolator PureOne, but it's an excellent filter. teddyboy, looks like you live in North Carolina, so extreme cold starts are not likely a factor here. The silicone ADBV on the PureOne may not be an advantage in your case, though I'd probably prefer it if I lived where it got real cold. I live in NC as well, and I've used the OEM Denso filters on my Toyotas. I've also used the PureOnes, and have been satisfied with both. Deep down, I probably prefer the Purolators, because they are largely the same price, and they're made right here in Fayetteville, NC.
At AAP online right now the Pure ones are $5 and using the BIG5 code at checkout, you can get 3 for $10. I am using the Denso 150-1002 right now that I got from Amazon for $4.24. But right now they are $7 each. OEM Toyota filters are cheapeer than that. Use any of the 3 mentioned for 5-7K and your Camry's will be happy.
I have a 99 Avalon with the sludge prone V6, which I bought new. I use Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30 and either a Mobil 1 or a Pure 1 filter, depending if I catch the sale at Advance or I purchase at WM. I change the oil somewhere between 7,000 and 8,000 miles. The car has over 255,000 miles with no sludge and runs like a sewing machine.
Thanks for all the responses; you guys (gender neutral guys) helped me a bunch. I bought two Pureones at AAP because that was the easiest short run alternative. I'll look around for buys on the Pureones and the Toyota oem for the longer term. Like Hokiefyd (are you a Tech fan?), must admist that I like that Purolaters are made in NC. My stepdaughter is coming by this morning to see her mom. I'm going to change out the JiffyLube filter for one of the Pureones on her 98 while the car is here.
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Hokiefyd (are you a Tech fan?)
Sure am. It's hard to hold the flag up around here in the sea of red and blue, but there are a few of us around.
A few people at church work for Purolator, one of them in engineering. It's fun to pick their brains, but there's a lot they won't say.
Hokiefyd (are you a Tech fan?)
Sure am. It's hard to hold the flag up around here in the sea of red and blue, but there are a few of us around.
A few people at church work for Purolator, one of them in engineering. It's fun to pick their brains, but there's a lot they won't say.
I'm a Gamecock living in Davidson (just north of Charlotte) and know all about holding up the flag. My sister and brother in law went to Tech and I saw my first live college football game at Lane Stadium in 67.
As sayjac points out with the SuperBusa thread, the flow vs. filtering rivalry is dead. It might have been an issue with the older Purolator PureOne filters, but not the new design. The P1 filters better than the Mobil 1 Extended Performance at half the price. I prefer high-end products, but I still chose the P1 over the Mobil 1 filter.
With sludge prone engines, the bigger issues are oil life and filter capacity. Stick with 5k mile OCIs and P1 filters. I ran 5k OCIs with my '97 Camry V-6 manual using very tough Red Line 5w30, and it only showed average used oil analysis with this hot-running engine. The dealer was recommending 3k mile OCIs with conventional oil. You might consider 2-3 future used oil analysis on both cars to check the oil condition.
With sludge prone engines, the bigger issues are oil life and filter capacity. Stick with 5k mile OCIs and P1 filters. I ran 5k OCIs with my '97 Camry V-6 manual using very tough Red Line 5w30, and it only showed average used oil analysis with this hot-running engine. The dealer was recommending 3k mile OCIs with conventional oil. You might consider 2-3 future used oil analysis on both cars to check the oil condition.
Originally Posted By: teddyboy
So the Pureone has flow problems?
I don't know where some get their ideas from. Other tham quality of buils the oil filter really isn't usually a big concern. Worry about the air filter and changing the oil on a reasonable interval depending on the oil and how good you air filter is and seals.
So the Pureone has flow problems?
I don't know where some get their ideas from. Other tham quality of buils the oil filter really isn't usually a big concern. Worry about the air filter and changing the oil on a reasonable interval depending on the oil and how good you air filter is and seals.
Originally Posted By: teddyboy
So the Pureone has flow problems?
Negitive..
not any more then any other filter out there.
So the Pureone has flow problems?
Negitive..
not any more then any other filter out there.
I'm not sure I buy the idea that denso filters favor flow over filtering. Denso filters are constructed a bit different than others for sure. I actually like the large amount of media in densos and the thermal bonding they use. Toyota seems to like them as well and they build and design the engines. Both filters are great. The Densos can be had cheaply at places like sparkplugs.com and even the dealer if you get the parts guy on a good day. I use Densos on my 05 Sienna without a second thought.
The PureOne has no flow issues. My oil pressure after the filter (also Toyota) is the same.
But Denso and PureOne are about the opposite ends of the spectrum for particle filtration. Denso/Toyota OEM is like a window screen compared to PureOne or most others.
But Denso and PureOne are about the opposite ends of the spectrum for particle filtration. Denso/Toyota OEM is like a window screen compared to PureOne or most others.
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