Public school zero tolerance policies are ASININE

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Wasit Drew..this is a Guberment Skrewel?

"Our policy allows for flexibility based on the specific facts of individual incidents, and we will use appropriate discretion in all situations to determine the best response," spokeswoman Robin Adair said in a statement. "

Funny I didn't see any of these 'buzz words' being used.

Disclaimer: maybe we don't have all the facts.
 
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My initial reaction is predictable, but then I realize we don't have the full facts of the case.

We have one side of the story in the above information you've given (I haven't gone to the link). There is a reason in a court of law that a judge hears both parties!
 
So they short circuited around doctors, pharmaceutical companies, the school nurse, maybe the ambulance company, fire dept, police, and school resource officer?

They're self-medicating and aren't paying the one percenters!!! They'd rather someone buy a rescue inhaler then have to throw it out unused because of a ludicrously short expiration date.
 
There seems to be some truth to the theory that public schools create lemming worker bees and private ones create leaders. Really, does a HS senior need a slip of paper to visit the lavatory three doors down the hallway? Does signing up for a sports team allow them to pry into your private weekend life?
 
I think we should have cameras throughout schools to remove any doubt and protect our children.

There have been a number of horiffic cases recently of sick and depraved teachers (as well as some kid on kid violence).

The news today in LA really altered my thinking on this.
 
Originally Posted By: rjacket
I think we should have cameras throughout schools to remove any doubt and protect our children.


How long has it been since you have been in a school??

There are cameras in every room except the bathrooms and faculty offices at my high school in the middle of nowhere Minnesota, and a police officer there during school hours that only has 700 kids in it 7-12th grade, talk about over doing it.

And as a student, I feel the cameras are more their attempt at policing us into check than there for the benefit of the students in the event of a incident.
 
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Originally Posted By: Brenden
Originally Posted By: rjacket
I think we should have cameras throughout schools to remove any doubt and protect our children.


How long has it been since you have been in a school??

There are cameras in every room except the bathrooms and faculty offices at my high school in the middle of nowhere Minnesota that only has 700 kids in it 7-12th grade, talk about over doing it.


Can't recall seeing it at my kids school. I will check next time.

But these need to be webcams just like those at private day care facilities.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
A girl gave her friend a puff on her inhaler because she thought her friend was having an asthma attack and both kids are facing expulsion over zero tolerance drug policies.

Our society and public schools are churning out robots because of this kind of nanny state stupidity.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19834820


Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.
 
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The facts are the facts! One girl thought her friend was having an asthma attack in gym class and offered to help her with the inhaler.

Now both are facing expulsion. Zero tolerance polices = zero intelligence.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/01/28/2-students-face-expulsion-for-sharing-an-asthma-inhaler/


Both parents should have a nice chat with the Principal of the school, especially if the inhaler helped the girl. If the girls have to stay home so be it. The message being sent here is wrong IMO.

My son was expelled once for defending himself, I was called up to the school and had all the facts from witnesses before I went up to the school. It was cut and dry self defense. I told the Principal if my son was attacked or confronted again that my son would do exactly the same thing he did again, with my blessings. Something the Principal wasn't expecting to hear, too bad! The attacker caught a nice beating, in fact he learned from it.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.



This is a reasonable argument. Prescription drugs are prescription drugs. Now, I dont trust the medical industry any more than I do a used car salesman, but again, prescription drugs are prescription drugs.

What if my kid was allergic to asprin, and a kid gave them an asprin to cure a headache?
What if my kid was allergic to pennicilin, and a kid gave them one of their pills because my kid was feeling ill?

Parent involvement and kids being smart (Im sorry, I have "zero tolerance" for the excuse that a kid isnt 18 and thus not mature enough) goes pretty far. But isnt a cover-all.

Is the treatment too extreme? Perhaps. But it doesnt change the facts that there could have been more severe issues.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
A girl gave her friend a puff on her inhaler because she thought her friend was having an asthma attack and both kids are facing expulsion over zero tolerance drug policies.

Our society and public schools are churning out robots because of this kind of nanny state stupidity.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19834820


Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.



Wow!!! It seems like you think she did this on purpose and the whole point of her doing this was so they could get high. One girl who knows what asthma is like and probably knows what attacks are like and what those attacks can do; saw a friend probably having symptoms like she has seen and experienced and gave her friend her inhaler to help her.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.



This is a reasonable argument. Prescription drugs are prescription drugs. Now, I dont trust the medical industry any more than I do a used car salesman, but again, prescription drugs are prescription drugs.

What if my kid was allergic to asprin, and a kid gave them an asprin to cure a headache?
What if my kid was allergic to pennicilin, and a kid gave them one of their pills because my kid was feeling ill?

Parent involvement and kids being smart (Im sorry, I have "zero tolerance" for the excuse that a kid isnt 18 and thus not mature enough) goes pretty far. But isnt a cover-all.

Is the treatment too extreme? Perhaps. But it doesnt change the facts that there could have been more severe issues.


Many times if kids have certain allergies they have bracelets so people know if they have allergies and what the allergy is. You think the girl really thought ha ha ha I’m giving my friend prescription drugs? No she was worried about her friend.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.



This is a reasonable argument. Prescription drugs are prescription drugs. Now, I dont trust the medical industry any more than I do a used car salesman, but again, prescription drugs are prescription drugs.

What if my kid was allergic to asprin, and a kid gave them an asprin to cure a headache?
What if my kid was allergic to pennicilin, and a kid gave them one of their pills because my kid was feeling ill?

Parent involvement and kids being smart (Im sorry, I have "zero tolerance" for the excuse that a kid isnt 18 and thus not mature enough) goes pretty far. But isnt a cover-all.

Is the treatment too extreme? Perhaps. But it doesnt change the facts that there could have been more severe issues.


Good points, the flip side of the coin here is this: Don't help a person who is in need of help, walk the other way, you could be held liable or get in trouble if something goes wrong. [Which in the world we are living in might not be a bad idea]. I'm playing evils advocate no argument intended.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Good points, the flip side of the coin here is this: Don't help a person who is in need of help, walk the other way, you could be held liable or get in trouble if something goes wrong.


Well, define "help". In this case, "help" involves committing a felony? I don't get all of the faux outrage over this? Giving prescription drugs to someone for whom they aren't prescribed seems like a bad idea to me.
 
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
A girl gave her friend a puff on her inhaler because she thought her friend was having an asthma attack and both kids are facing expulsion over zero tolerance drug policies.

Our society and public schools are churning out robots because of this kind of nanny state stupidity.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19834820


Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.



Wow!!! It seems like you think she did this on purpose and the whole point of her doing this was so they could get high. One girl who knows what asthma is like and probably knows what attacks are like and what those attacks can do; saw a friend probably having symptoms like she has seen and experienced and gave her friend her inhaler to help her.


I didn't discuss intent, and I didn't say that it was "to get high" at all...but what if the friend in this case had an allergic/adverse reaction (becuase of other meds of whihc the firend was unaware) and died as a result?

Unless you're a licensed medical professional, you don't give out prescription drugs...you don't have the training, you might do more harm than good...and that's why it's illegal.

It's pretty simple...
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Well...they don't specify the medicine in the inhaler, however, the most common is albuterol. Since albuterol is a controlled (prescription) substance, I am with the school on this one.

Since when is it OK for a kid to give presecription drugs to another kid? Is she a medical doctor? Is she fully capable of correctly diagnosing the other child's condition? Did she know what other medications the girl was on to preclude adverse drug interactions? Did she know the other child's medical history to know if albuterol was safe to administer?

If your kid gave my kid prescription drugs in school and the school didn't do something about it, I would be before the school board...and depending on other circumstances, you and I might be in court...giving someone else your prescription drugs is both illegal and potentially dangerous to the recipient.

Kids have no business giving other kids prescription drugs. Period.



This is a reasonable argument. Prescription drugs are prescription drugs. Now, I dont trust the medical industry any more than I do a used car salesman, but again, prescription drugs are prescription drugs.

What if my kid was allergic to asprin, and a kid gave them an asprin to cure a headache?
What if my kid was allergic to pennicilin, and a kid gave them one of their pills because my kid was feeling ill?

Parent involvement and kids being smart (Im sorry, I have "zero tolerance" for the excuse that a kid isnt 18 and thus not mature enough) goes pretty far. But isnt a cover-all.

Is the treatment too extreme? Perhaps. But it doesnt change the facts that there could have been more severe issues.


Good points, the flip side of the coin here is this: Don't help a person who is in need of help, walk the other way, you could be held liable or get in trouble if something goes wrong. [Which in the world we are living in might not be a bad idea]. I'm playing evils advocate no argument intended.


I know you're playing DA...but the point isn't that you should walk away...you should absolutely help - call 911, administer first aid, etc...You have a responsibility to help. And the Good Samaritan act will protect you from the consequences of those things for which you're trained...

I never said you should walk away...but as far as taking action for which you're not qualified? You and I both know that's not right...

I have far more training in emergency medicine than most teenage high school students. Shoot, I have watched a lot of medical shows, I am good with my hands, I have the best of intent...my step-son and daughter are a pair of aspiring doctors...I even stayed at Holiday Inn this month...feel OK with me cutting you open in an emergency?

You should help in an emergency, but please, please, leave medicine to the professionals.
 
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Perfect waste of a teachable moment. A better thing to do would have publicly praise the girl for her quick action, then take her into the principal's office and explain how what she did was well-intentioned and could have resulted in her friend's death if her friend was not suffering from an asthma attack. Then instruct a more socially-appropriate response. Most kids are smarter than most adults believe. They'll learn no matter what. Here they learned that helping a friend gets you expelled. Expulsion teaches the wrong lesson here, IMO.
 
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