Public school zero tolerance policies are ASININE

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: wtd

When I was in high school back in the 80's, People had guns in gun racks in the back window of their trucks and most guys carried pocket knives. Today you would be expelled from school and probably be locked up in Jail. It is only going to get worse.

Wayne


I carried a knife throughout my high school years. I had a gun rack in my truck, but never brought a rifle or gun to school. Usually just put a bat or axe handle on it. I would have never thought to use any weapon against another student. We had a boxing ring behind the weight room for settling problems.

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: wtd

When I was in high school back in the 80's, People had guns in gun racks in the back window of their trucks and most guys carried pocket knives. Today you would be expelled from school and probably be locked up in Jail. It is only going to get worse.

Wayne


I carried a knife throughout my high school years.

yup


We had a boxing ring behind the weight room for settling problems.



nice, i like this

 

[tom slick]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

More straw men.

Agreed..there are so many of them in this thread that some of them have escaped and are running around my computer room.


Okay throw out my "where do we draw the line" argument, would this girl still be a hero if she would have caused a serious and worse reaction by sharing her medicine? Inhalers are not one-drug-fits-all and perfectly safe.

The proper response is to alert the teacher to the student's condition. It always has been no matter what generation you grew up in.

 

[oldmaninsc]

Originally Posted By: tom slick
would this girl still be a hero if she would have caused a serious and worse reaction by sharing her medicine? Inhalers are not one-drug-fits-all and perfectly safe.


No arguement from me - but no where did (or anyone else that I remember reading) say this girl was a "hero". My point has been all along that the punishment should fit the crime.

As I stated in a previous post - a call and a meeting with the parents of both girls is most definitely without a doubt in order. But 10 days suspension and possible expulsion for her good intentions (though wrong) is just not right! Two wrongs don't make a right!

And the o/p's point was that "Public school zero tolerance policies are ASININE" is what I agree with completely! This is NOT a case of "one size fits all". I really think you have to take the motive of "girl a" (as she so elegantly has been called) into consideration.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
Originally Posted By: tom slick
would this girl still be a hero if she would have caused a serious and worse reaction by sharing her medicine? Inhalers are not one-drug-fits-all and perfectly safe.


No arguement from me - but no where did (or anyone else that I remember reading) say this girl was a "hero". My point has been all along that the punishment should fit the crime.

As I stated in a previous post - a call and a meeting with the parents of both girls is most definitely without a doubt in order. But 10 days suspension and possible expulsion for her good intentions (though wrong) is just not right! Two wrongs don't make a right!

And the o/p's point was that "Public school zero tolerance policies are ASININE" is what I agree with completely! This is NOT a case of "one size fits all". I really think you have to take the motive of "girl a" (as she so elegantly has been called) into consideration.


Removing motive from the offense is the raison d'être of zero-tolerance. After all, we can't have someone actually engaging in the rubbing of two braincells together to exercise some judgment/common sense when looking at infractions.

While some have pointed out that school admin has said the matter is "under-review" that is code for dotting the I's and crossing the T's before we expel them. The expulsion itself isn't under review, just the timeline of events so that all the forms and other documentation are complete when handing the folks the expulsion paperwork.

As people have mentioned, this of course creates the atmosphere of "just walk away... I didn't see anything" when confronted with situations in which someone is in need of (any kind) of aid in the kids. But, its true for adults too.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: tom slick

Okay throw out my "where do we draw the line" argument, would this girl still be a hero if she would have caused a serious and worse reaction by sharing her medicine? Inhalers are not one-drug-fits-all and perfectly safe.


And plenty of "one drug fits all", and even mandated medicines are known to be nothing but perfectly safe...and society indemnifies the manufacturer entirely.

Why shouldn't well meaning teenagers be afforded the same indemnification ?

 

[Jarlaxle]

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As people have mentioned, this of course creates the atmosphere of "just walk away... I didn't see anything" when confronted with situations in which someone is in need of (any kind) of aid in the kids. But, its true for adults too.


Absolutely yes! Never help, never stop, never get involved...not worth the risk. Keep walking, hands in pockets, head down and pick up the pace.

 

[bluestream]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Just another strawman, but this thread has me wondering how zero tolerance would apply when all schools have a hands off policy, and someone's drowning, falling, fainting, etc.


In that case they would be protected by the "Good Samaritan Law"